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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's a numbers game. There are WAY more Jewish people in the US than there are Arabs (~7.5 vs 3.5 million, according to a quick Google search).

Strategically, those Jewish voters are also more likely to switch to a Republican vote than the Arabs, regardless. It would take 2 Arabs (or any other Democratic voter) sitting out to counter a single Democratic voter switching to a Republican vote.

Granted, none of this accounts for voter locations (because only the 7 swing states matter), voter enthusiasm, claims of national security, or (most importantly of all) ethics.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Except a lot of Jewish voters are anti Netanyahu and want a ceasefire too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree. That was an additional detail that I did not cover, as I wanted to keep it relatively simple. I expect that the anti-Netanyahu Jewish voters are unlikely to switch to voting Trump, given that the latter is firmly and openly pro-genocide.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s a good point, but I don’t think it’s about Jewish voters at all. It’s about AIPAC.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

And most major U.S. media outlets are highly biased toward Israel for some reason. I don't know if I've ever seen the U.S. media this biased on an issue; I have to resort to small outlets like The Intercept or foreign media like Al Jazeera (which are biased in their own way), to stay informed. The only things comparable I can think of is the Iraq-WMD thing, and their perpetual bias against labor rights/for capital.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AIPAC disagrees with you.

Wait until after the election to see who really stands where.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

AIPAC ≠ Jews

AIPAC = Zionists

Its an important distinction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

AIPAC = heavy influence on US politics, including elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Edit: replied to wrong person

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

And if the government were so inclined, they could declare AIPAC a foreign lobby group and stop them the same way they did RT.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is importance but it’s unclear why you are mentioning it here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because they were responding to this comment by saying "AIPAC disagrees with you" implying that Jewish Voters = AIPAC.

Except a lot of Jewish voters are anti Netanyahu and want a ceasefire too

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Not saying all Jewish voters = AIPAC. Some would, but not all.

I'm sating AIPAC has an oversized influence in US politics.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not at the expense of democracy, at least I hope. There is no other option this year.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And this will be repeated every election year from here on out now that the DNC knows they can get away with it.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are other avenues that can be taken in a democracy between now and the next election. Ranked choice voting would be great.

How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How would a trump win help the genocide happening in Gaza??

Is this the only thing any of you can say?

No remotely sane person is saying trump would be better. That doesn't mean the DNC isn't fucking us over a barrel. Sitting around parroting "Hur dur but trump worse" is just enabling them. After trump there will be someone else and the DNC will just keep following the overton window to the right because they just need to keep pointing out that the other guy is worse. Plus all their online enablers will just shut down any discussion by repeating "well you must love trump if you don't like the DNC stepping on your balls. Yum yum tasty boot."

Newsflash they will never give us RCV. RCV would take this new powerful tool of "but other guy worse" away from them and they are never going to sacrifice that power.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Everything can be justified in this way.

"Adolf Hitler identified he needed to blame all problems on Jews. And systematically put them in concentration camps. This was a political move necessary to advance his career and appeal to voters."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

To be clear, at no point was I trying to justify any actions. My only goal was to explain the strategic path that would lead to it. And of course there are additional nuances, which I alluded to at the end.

Besides, a winning strategy is not an indicator of ethics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The only strategy here is AIPAC campaign donations.

All the rest of what you said is BS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What, specifically, did I say that you disagree with?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

No one is supporting Israel because they are calculating Jewish population for votes, that’s ridiculous.

They support Israel because of aipac campaign donations. The only calculation is how much money is in their pocket. Nothing else matters, including the ongoing genocide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

People are downvoting you because they don’t like the outcome, not because they disagree with your argument.