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Israel says drone launched towards Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's house (www.abc.net.au)
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The Israeli government says a drone has been launched at Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netayahu's house.

In Gaza, more than 50 people have been killed in several Israeli strikes, including children, in less than 24 hours, according to hospital officials

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But if one side does stoop that low, that doesn't give the other wise a free pass to do the same thing.

I mean it's easy to say that when you don't have family or friends being detained and tortured in Israeli prisons.

I'll give credit here. Hamas really screwed up as it seems like things were on the verge of a grand bargain of peace here with Saudi Arabia helping to ensure an independent State of Palestine

I know about that naturalization deal, and so did everyone that mattered at the time. It's widely theorized that one of the purposes of the deal was to prevent naturalization with Saudi Arabia from happening, specifically because it wouldn't contribute anything to Palestinian statehood. You'll find the details if you look, or I can grab them from somewhere, but either way don't take what The Atlantic says too seriously. Naturalization was widely viewed as a betrayal by Saudi Arabia of the Palestinian cause, and not at all a grand deal that would free them from Israeli oppression.

Eh, the same article shows Biden really didn't want this, though he also feared publicly breaking with Netanyahu.

Biden cares more about Zionism than about US democracy and his career, or at least that's what it would seem from his actions. That's why I said his Zionist insanity. Literally no other US administration except Trump would support Israel's genocide to the extent Biden is. He's not even clearing the bar Reagan set.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

But if one side does stoop that low, that doesn't give the other wise a free pass to do the same thing.
I mean it's easy to say that when you don't have family or friends being detained and tortured in Israeli prisons.

Also, it's easy to say that when you don't have family or friends being detained as hostages by Hamas in who knows where.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm on the side of the innocent folks who are being detained (doesn't matter by who).

You'll find the details if you look, or I can grab them from somewhere,

If you could, I tried looking but haven't gotten a better or more nuanced look than what was on the Atlantic. As usual, your references are super helpful!

It's widely theorized that one of the purposes of the deal was to prevent naturalization with Saudi Arabia from happening, specifically because it wouldn't contribute anything to Palestinian statehood.
and not at all a grand deal that would free them from Israeli oppression.
but either way don't take what The Atlantic says too seriously.

Hmm, right now all I can do is to quote the Atlantic article when it says,

by building a Palestinian state into the deal.

But of course, just because these details were being hashed out in secret doesn't mean the folks who scuttled the deal (Hamas) knew about it, so both could be true at the same time. (One disturbing alternative is that Hamas was aware of this detail but decided to scuttle it anyways, as they didn't agree with the two-state solution that was being built and supported by Israel, the US, Saudi Arabia, and presumably the Palestine Authority.)

Naturalization was widely viewed as a betrayal by Saudi Arabia of the Palestinian cause,

I guess this is why MBS said,

“Half my advisers say that the deal is not worth the risk,” he said. “I could end up getting killed because of this deal.”

Biden cares more about Zionism than about US democracy and his career, or at least that's what it would seem from his actions.

Yeah, that's fair - if you look only at the actions it's easy to see it this way.

He's not even clearing the bar Reagan set.

Yeah, again that's quite a bit disturbing.