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Good, I'd rather it all burn than to be looked down upon by the Trumpler in the Ivory Tower
Wow, yeah if only we had some alternative to Trump.
We do, but for some fucking reason a ton of people think not voting for her will magically save Palestine from Nethanyu. I voted for Harris, everyone else needs to do the same fucking thing.
If only she could do something to change the mind of those "tons of people".
Trump ALSO wants to destroy Palestine, you must understand that there is no option here that helps Palestine, there is merely one option that can help America. I'd like a perfect solution but there isn't one
Oh there is one, Kamala could just not continue on the same path re: Israel as previous people in power. It's a simple change that gets her a lot of votes. But oh no, Trump bad, vote Harris, that's the only compromise people like you seem to offer.
I'm not offering a compromise, I can't make Harris do anything. If you think I'm some kind of wizard who can wave her hand and suddenly make Harris put Nethanyu on blast as she sends in the calvary to start rebuilding Palestine, then I got a bridge to sell ya.
I'm merely point out that we have two options.
We let Trump get elected, he deploys nuclear weapons in Palestine because he's an idiot who keeps demanding to know why we aren't doing that already ( https://patch.com/us/across-america/donald-trump-reportedly-asked-adviser-nuclear-weapons-if-we-have-them-why-we-can-t ) and starts rounding up vulnerable Americans in camps because he likes Hitler. We try to protest both, he deploys the national guard.
We get Harris elected, the threat of Trump is gone forever because he's not going to even live long enough to try this shit again in 2028, we still have the freedom to protest, she doesn't make things any worse for Palestine than they already are under the Biden administration, and we can still focus on trying to push the country leftward with the whole "Not having to fight for our lives" conditions a Harris presidency brings that the alternative does not.
Under the former, we can't do shit to help Palestine because we'll have our own problems, under the latter there's still a fight.
I'm not meekly saying "But Trump..", I'm merely being realistic in what the landscape looks like under each presidency.
Palestine isn't gonna have a good time under either President this is true, but one of those is clearly worse than the other for not only that region, but our region. You must understand that.
If you really want to stand there and pitch a fit because you can't have your cake and eat it too, congratulations, you're going to get us all killed.
PS: "We could all vote Third Party." - ELECTORAL COLLEGES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
"Electoral Colleges are inhumane, undemocratic, and we need ranked choice voting." - True, but it doesn't change the fact that our current system is an Electoral College and Republicans are the reason that's not going to change anytime soon.
Buddy, buddy. The entire thing is really simple. Trump doesn't need the votes from pro Palestinian people. He probably wouldn't get them anyways. Harris needs those votes. So either she changes course, or she loses an election. People who see Palestine as an important issue aren't going to vote for someone because they are "better" but still supporting genocide. They'll vote based on other issues, or won't vote at all. It's not the job of the voters to get a specific party votes - it's the exact opposite. They are getting elected for the people - not for themselves. So do what people want or lose.
you didn't read the post you are replying to.
your stance is irritatingly naive.
If pro-palestine single-issue voters sink the Harris ticket there is a real chance they wont get to vote again. If perfection is allowed to be the enemy of progress you will inadvertantly elect the regressive party. A party helmed by a guy who has said publicly on multiple interviews he would sic the national guard or military on protestors, undesierables and political rivals.
It is frustrating to have to keep going over this, either the correct choice is made by the US citizenry and the status-quo continues (as poor as that may be) or the guard rails of democracy are dismantled by a wanabe dictator and your prefrences wont be asked of you again.
Do you understand what a genocide is? Or do you think it's "a war in some far away land I don't need to worry about"? Do you understand that people lose their loved ones daily? There is no "perfection" there is just a person supporting genocide, wanting votes from people who have family, friends, colleagues suffering in Gaza. You don't get votes for not doing what your voters want you to do. That's the truth, and frankly people going "oh but you still absolutely MUST vote for our guy" are obnoxious. No, they don't get automatic votes when their policies are horrible.
Ah, single issue voters who aren't bright enough to understand the big picture and how it effects them.
Or again... failing to realize Trump has a stance on this issue that's literally worse than Harris'..... and has done shit like put the fucking Israel-US Assembly in god damn Jerusalem, basically mandating that Palestine doesn't exist.
It's like imagine one party wants to break your spine and permanently paralyze you, and the other is going to kick you in the shin really really hard, and if you don't vote because neither of those sound good thinking "Oh well, I don't really want either of those." the former is going to win, and it's kind of objectively much worse.
One party wants to break your spine and permanently paralyze you, and the other wants to break your spine and permanently paralyze you. You don't get points for "bad vs worse" when you are talking about supporting a genocidal regime. You don't get to ignore the elephant in the room and expect everyone going "holy shit a fucking elephant" to vote for someone who supports the elephant being there and gaslighting them.
That's a very privileged view you have, that both parties are the same.
There is no "Zero Genocide" option, not because I'm bloodthirsty, but because I am held hostage b y a blood thirsty machine, just like every other American.
Right now, that machine does not need consent to destroy Palestine, but it does need consent to kill pregnant women, to separate latino babies from their parents, to end birthright citizenship, to mass incarcerate transgender individuals in prisons intended for their birth sex, to deport Palestinian-Americans back to Palestine while it's still being bombed... Because this is all Trump wants to do.
You can't kill off the whole group simply because you're upset that there can't be a 100% survival rate here.... And it pains me to say that, I'm not trying to be dismissive, I'm saying that the people you want to save are doomed no matter who is President. But there are still many other lives who will perish under a Trump regime, who won't under a Harris presidency.
Reminder: Trump also supports the genocide of Palestine, but he also supports escalation up to and including Nuclear weapons, Harris would keep it business as usual. Neither is exactly my ideal outcome for Palestine, but you need to let terrible be the enemy of bad.
Edit: Look I'm just gonna post this picture because it shows the situation better than I can explain it
So why aren't you voting for Trump? After all, you said it yourself - it doesn't matter that people die because MaChInE won't stop. It's better to give up than to not vote for someone who supports killing the people you want saved according to you.
When it comes to Palestine, Trump and Harris are the exact same. Both support killing of Palestinians. She had a chance to do the right thing and get the votes, instead she doubled down. Fuck Harris and fuck Trump.
I never said it didn't matter that people will die, I said Trump will kill more people overall and thus Harris is the best choice for reducing murder.
Kamala is allowing Israel to kill every person in Gaza. I understand that Trump is going to double kill them?
I mean, kinda?