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[–] [email protected] 101 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's not trump that bothers me, it's who will grab the machinery the he's set up that keeps me awake at night.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

And because of that, every election from now on will be about voting against a full-blown fascist dictator while any talk of progress becomes taboo for the sake of winning over centrists.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There's a lot of caveats to that.

First, that was absolutely the plan when they started shifting the Overton window in the 1980s. They didn't realize how important good faith is to democracy, and it's gotten more out of hand than they intended. Now you've got Dick Cheney, Rex Tillerson, and other 80s Republicans trying to rein it in.

Second, compromise goes both ways. Our agenda doesn't have to go out of the window. The neolibs will give the kids free school lunches to help defeat fascism. This doesn't mean that we try to jerk the Overton window so far the other way that it breaks and we lose to fascists. We can both compromise in good faith.

Third, those Republicans always think results are instant. Fire employees and if things don't break in a month, then they were clearly right! And when things go to shit in two years, well, there must be another reason. Don't make the same mistake with progressive changes. We need more than a 50/50 senate split with West Virginia included to be able to make big changes. Results aren't instant, and don't give up when they're not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

The thing that really sucks is that to a lot of voters, results are instant. Every time the price of anything goes up, it's the current presidents fault. Seen all those "I Did That!" Stickers idiots put on gas pumps? It makes no sense when you're talking on an economic scale for things to suddenly shift overnight, or even in 2-4 years. But a huge bump in inflation from companies trying to capitalize on economic changes through covid? Ope, bidens fault.

There are so many political schemes that take advantage of the "right now" results, even if those results are from years of changes and slow effect activity. I wish I could get people to see that not every little thing that happens is because someone in govt went to the "magic number machine" and moved the sliders up or down that morning.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

We could have had Bernie in 2016

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago)

You would have had Trump in 2016, but then again, it'd be over now. Unless he would've actually destroyed democracy.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Bernie was never going to happen ever. Even the democrats didn't want him.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats, as in the democratic voters, did want him. The DNC was willing to let trump win to avoid a Democratic Socialist from becoming president.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely.

That became painfully apparent in 2019 when Bernie won the first three primaries and the party rallied around the fifth least-popular candidate: Joe Biden, only slightly more popular than Mike Bloomberg.

And they handed out favors to the others in order to drop out and endorse this shitty man who did nothing meaningful to stop fascism, thereby making Trump's fascist candidacy inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Run for local office. Petition your local leaders.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago

Yeah I am worried more about the precedent and 'momentum' this creates more than Trump himself.