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Why do people say "Marxist-Leninist" since Lenin was a Marxist; therefore, just saying Leninist would include the teachings of Marx, wouldn't it? (lemmygrad.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do.

You don't. You have done everything, but that this far.

I'm usually the one who insists on doing so.

Doesn't seem like it at all, with how you have conducted yourself in this convo so far.

I took an exception in this thread and discussion because the arguments of those who say it's "redundant" are very flawed, yet they are repeating themselves every time.

You could have literally said: "Your arguments are flawed, for x, y and z" instead of mocking me and saying something totally unrelated to the point which made me think that you misunderstood my point and had me re-phrasing it for the sake of clarity.

The same way you're insisting on your position, I'm insisting on giving the "redundants" this treatment.

I don't understand how you are honestly rationalizing being patronizing and disrespectful to someone who is talking to you in good faith, by saying that is just redundant. This is literally no way to have a constructive conversation. This is purely childish behavior.

I really don't think that this conversation is going anywhere because you are being very bad faith about it.

I just rather don't engage with you, honestly. Please feel free to ignore me from now on, unless I break the rules or something.

I would say my points about the arguments you stated below, but you obviously have 0 respect for me and as you said, you don't take me seriously, so I rather not engage with someone who is bad faith like that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I literally argued instead of simply dismissing you and you call that patronizing? Since you rather focus on my tone than my arguments, I can only conclude that you are not in fact arguing in good faith, only pretending to do so. Then using this as a shield to dismiss everything I've said because I adopt a different form of conversation in this silly discussion.

The fact that I took time to write to you and respond to your arguments is already a sign of respect, which you chose to ignore in your response. We are communists, we are used to be confronted and to confront, to be criticized and to criticize. If that's too much for you, I'm so sorry, but you need to get out of your bubble and learn to stand for what you believe instead of acting like a coward.

I took you seriously, and responded to your arguments, didn't I? But you chose to focus on something outside of the argument.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What? You literally want someone to dismiss being disrespected and being mocked on, and just concentrate on the rest that you say?

Why don't you then don't say it in the first place? If you want to have a constructive conversation with someone why are you disrespectful and then complain that the other person is calling you out for being disrespectful?

Your lack of accountability and your victim blaming is so unreal. You cannot take any criticism at all. Your attitude is just so entitled and patronizing that is just scary. Your attitude is just un-Marxist, honestly. You are literally un-fit to be an admin.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What? You literally want someone to dismiss being disrespected and being mocked on, and just concentrate on the rest that you say?

How do you want me to treat you when you are repeating the same arguments over and over, after I've constantly responded to them? I took patience and time to answer each one of them.

Why don’t you then don’t say it in the first place? If you want to have a constructive conversation with someone why are you disrespectful and then complain that the other person is calling you out for being disrespectful?

There's nothing constructive about your arguments so far.

Your lack of accountability and your victim blaming is so unreal. You cannot take any criticism at all. Your attitude is just so entitled and patronizing that is just scary. Your attitude is just un-Marxist, honestly. You are literally un-fit to be an admin.

Oh, now you're a victim? 😒 And I'm unfit to be an admin based on this single interaction with you? But I'm entitled, right. You are the one fit to be admin. Seriously, I can't tell if you're trolling at this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Gosh, you are just an intransigent bully. I really wish that I could block you so I didn’t get any more notifications with your toxic replies. But, I will just be the one doing the ignoring now. I will only reply to you if it is due to administrative concerns or something about rules, but otherwise, I am not going to keep damaging my mental health talking to you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I will ignore everything we've discussed so far and consider you are indeed acting in good faith.

I'm sorry that I mocked you and acted dismissively. At first, I answered your thread without this tone, check my first response to your topic. But after I saw many others arguing similarly, while you and a few others were insisting on it with the same arguments over and over, I completely lost my respect for those who were arguing this.

It reminded of the struggles I had within my previous party, where the leadership there were arguing similar things, that we should abandon the term "Marxism-Leninism" altogether. It got personal, and I could no longer maintain a respectful and professional tone, and I apologize for that.

That being said, please answer this, and I promise I won't disturb you any longer:

What’s your point? What are you trying to accomplish with this discussion? Why do you care so much about this? What difference does it make what you call yourself, why do you want us to agree with you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What’s your point?

Nothing, I just wanted to put forth my semantics realization and see if there were any counter arguments as to why just calling oneself a Leninist would be any different than calling oneself a Marxist Leninist.

What are you trying to accomplish with this discussion?

Same answer

Why do you care so much about this?

I don’t care that much. I just wanted to hear the reasons that other people had and presented my own. I don’t have any horse in the race.

What difference does it make what you call yourself, why do you want us to agree with you?

People can call themselves whatever they want. I just wanted to discuss if Leninism would be the most semantically correct term, and put forth my reasoning as I explained previously.

These questions honestly feel like a serious interrogation just for a question about word accuracy and semantics.

Edit: That is how conversation works. Someone says an argument and if another person doesn’t agree they say a counter argument. Not agreeing about the usage of one term or thinking that it could be shortened doesn’t mean that someone has a hidden agenda.