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I'm not American and you didn't answer my question.
If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn't she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?
Im an Israeli anarchist, but I'm still going to try my best at explaining.
American liberals won't ever appease leftists, or minorities, because they expect subservience and loyalty for nothing in return. In so doing they play right into the fascists' hands, trying to serve right wingers who already made their minds up in voting for a fascist.
It is very likely not only more leftists but more Muslim and arabic people would've voted for dems if it weren't for dems insisting that kamala should keep supporting israel and that criticism is amount to betrayal.
As much as i despise electoralism, being an anarchist and all, it's very simple to understand how and why this happened even from an electoralist perspective, makes one think maybe american liberals just don't want to understand.
And before anyone says I'm talking out of my ass about american libs, as if i don't know them because I don't live in the states: Know that they walk and talk just the same as israeli liberals, and these empty platitudes and threats of being a traitor are the same as i get at home.
If I'm understanding your comment correctly we're more or less on the same page.
My question is not a literal question but me pointing out the paradox sucking up to Israel to "win the election" and then blaming pro-palestine voters after they lose the election.
Oh, yeah that makes more sense, we're definitely on the same page.
Because in the coalition of Democratic voters and donors, there are also those who unconditionally support Israel, and they outnumber those who support the Palestinians.
This is simply not true.
https://forward.com/news/672886/american-jews-israel-arms-embargo-poll/
https://cepr.net/press-release/poll-majority-of-americans-say-biden-should-halt-weapons-shipments-to-israel/
It wasn't the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.
You're doing the exact same thing. You are refusing to acknowledge any criticism to the Harris campaign and blaming voters for the loss.
Misogyny absolutely played a role in this election and I do not want to downplay the racism and misogyny that Harris had to work against, but she ran a fucking awful campaign. She sucked up to fascists, ignored her base, and belittled the concerns pro-palestine protestors.
I'm speaking now.
I think i can copy paste this comment somewhere on a 2016 thread about Hilary and it would make just as much sense.
How about you tell this to someone who isn't white, or better yet, someone who has family affected by the situation in gaza.
Answers to your comment are hilarious, these people deserve Trump but they don't even realise this. Rats complaining about cockroaches.
Because they shouldn't have beeded to be convinced. Trump was obviously the worse choice for Palestine. The most basic realpolitik shouldve told them to hold their nose. They are to blame for putting their ideals over the lives of everyone around them and even those they want to save.
Ok you go say that to their faces. Tell them they should suck it up and vote for an administration that is funding a genocide against their people. Tell them they're being "idealistic" when they speak out against a genocide.
Liberals are amazing.
Ok you go say that to their faces. Tell them that Donald Trump will stop funding genocide against their people. Tell them they are being "unrealistic" when they cite his promise to help Israel "finish the job".
What are you even saying?
Your argument is essentially, "Hey I know democrats are committing a genocide against your people, but if you don't vote for them republicans are going to genocide your people even harder"
Why should they believe democrats? The arguments you're all making lack any sort of attempts to understand the people you're talking about or the situation they are facing. Their families are being murdered every fucking day and Kamala couldn't fucking stop herself from saying shit like "we're going to have the most lethal army" and "israel has a right to defend itself". I cannot imagine the emotions these people are dealing with and the fact that you are belittling them for not voting democrat is honestly disgusting.
Put one in front of me, I gladly will
ok tough guy. Let me know when you've told a Palestinian that they are stupid for not voting democrat because Trump is going to murder their family even harder than Biden.
That’s an excellent question. The Harris campaign decided to not let Palestinians speak at the DNC. The Uncommitted movement offered to endorse her but the staff refused to let any Palestinian Americans do so on camera, even with pre-vetted remarks. It’s mystifying and one of the major blunders of the Harris campaign.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans. Hence she wouldn’t meet with Palestinian-Americans and avoided all the Muslim voters in Pennsylvania who were trying to meet with her. She was working so hard to get Republicans to flip and support her, which is why she did a rally with Liz Cheney and talked about how much she’d help Israel, and decided the Arab-American and Muslim-American votes were expendable if it meant getting more Republicans.
Hillary tried the same strategy in 2016, and it failed badly. Throwing one of the most loyal democratic voting blocs under the bus to get Republicans to flip for them, has been a strategy of 2 of the last 3 elections (Biden promised to undo the Muslim ban but nothing else, so I don’t know if that counts) and they keep repeating this playbook with the same results. I fear that in 2028 they won’t even try to get our votes again and will try to cozy up to Trump’s Muslim ban in hopes that Republicans flip to democrat once again.
Compare that with, "They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred." That line came from some four-term-President loser.
They answered your question perfectly.
then please shut the fuck up.