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And those whose brand would be hurt by endorsing her, shut up about her worst qualities (looking at you, John Oliver, you liberal dipshit) instead of highlighting third parties because, of course, the moguls would like very much to keep this managed democracy rather than risk an actual democracy, which can get rather messy to undermine.
You're never going to get meaningful change voting third party under the American voting system. A first past the post voting system will ALWAYS result in a two party system. If we hurt the current parties by voting third party enough to kill one, we'll just replace the dead party. It might be an improvement at first, but eventually, all the same forces push us back into the same end result after a while.
The US needs major reform to the electoral system. Switch from first past the post to something like ranked choice or approval voting. Abolish the fucking electoral college, which some states are attempting with a law to automatically grant all electoral college votes to the popular vote winner if enough states agree to make it guarantee the winner. Expand and guarantee access to mail in voting. And indirectly, reinvest in the fucking education system.
Of course, with full control of the federal government going to Republicans who benefit from all these problems, there's no way any of it gets addressed now.
None of what you point out would be addressed under dem leadership.
Now to counter point, we do not have a whig party.
We've had first past the post the entire time.
We do not have a whig party.
We did. As one of the two options. Now we don't.
Voting third party works. Period. Every bit of propaganda you willingly repeat without thought is wrong, it was written by those that wanted to establish a uniparty duopoly. Stop doing their propaganda work for free.
Ranked choice voting exists in some regions of the US already. It sure as fuck won't come from the Republicans, but if voters actually cared to demand it, they could see it happen. It's not impossible, just utterly unknown to most of the populace.
RCV just failed in a core blue state, Oregon. Dem leadership decided to run anti 117 ads, as well as repub leadership.
Voters demanded it, it was put on the ballot, and it failed because the average American votes with their party, their team, and both teams are against it.
"The democrats and republicans have made sure you can't elect anybody else, the solution is to vote for them to change it!"
Americans are so fucking cooked lmao
Primarily republicans. That's the party that benefits most from voter suppression, gerrymandering, shitty voting systems, etc. Ranked choice voting exists in some capacity in over a dozen states, and it trends heavily towards left leaning states.
The more important fact, however, is that it's an unknown idea that's not interesting enough to attract attention over more immediate problems.