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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Nobody is arguing the DNC isn't out of touch.

however the electorate isn't much better. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Nice try on the strawman though, better than some.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don't want to fight.

What matters is policy. Real hard on the ground policy that real normal people can feel and see where they live.

When some wonk gets on MSNBC with a spreadsheet hooting about how much better things are with grocery prices or housing costs, that doesn't mean anything to someone who's begging for extra shifts at work so they can make rent. Those are aggregates and averages. If the 200k-500k bracket is doing better while the 13k-45k bracket isnt, the numbers still went up. That looks better in the data. But the people at the bottom are still suffering just as much as ever. They don't feel or see any improvement because there wasn't any. Not for them.

The health and performance of the stock market only matters to those on the bottom when it crashes and suddenly they're paying more for everything. At no other point does it impact them in the slightest. Those record profits aren't reinvested, they're not used to reduce the strain on consumers. Its gobbled up by a few dozen shareholders. It benefits nobody else. And if an executive or CEO has the slightest semblance of a soul and wants to help consumers they're voted out because the only responsibility is to those few dozen shareholders.

Healthcare. The ACA was a grand achievement. They took Romneycare national. Round of applause for all involved. But its still cheaper to do some form of Universal Healthcare. That would be the easiest win in history. And everyone would feel it immediately. It would help 100,000,000 people immediately. People who have been putting off medical treatment for half their lives because of the extortionist expense would immediately seek treatment. They would seek preventative treatment and raise the overall health across the country. Obesity rates drop, drug use plummets, etc.

Marijuana. Literally every person I know and interact with in my daily life uses it. Do you know the number one reason I've heard from all of them? Pain management. Again, another easy win that is supported by everyone except the ghouls who were alive when it was called "The Devil's Lettuce" and propagandized into believing its this terrible thing.

Hard Policy that people can feel and see in their daily lives. You can still court the comfortable liberals who care about the stock market and all that. They'll be fine no matter who is in office. If they need an abortion it's a weekend vacay to Zurich or somewhere. But you're never going to hold any meaningful power again without hard policy. Because for decades now the republicans have cornered the market on grievance politics and reaction. To break through that you need something real. No more vibes based nonsense. It will not work.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What strawman? When is it appropriate to hold DNC leadership accountable for losing the election, again?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The DNC will have its come to jesus moment and maybe come to the wrong conclusions again, but it's still patently obvious that a massive number of people will vote against their own interests regardless of the arguments anyone made.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Why would they? They've just shown their complete inability to pivot an iota, for THREE elections. That's 12 years of nothing learned by the DNC, minimum.

Unless you consider that they don't care to win. Unless they benefit from losing equally, or more as losers. Does Biden or Harris look particularly pained by this outcome, at all? They look pleased as punch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Yeah it’s hard to vote in an informed manner with so many obstacles to education. I suspect this problem is about to get a whole lot worse unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes, the number of people on here who claim that withholding their vote to 'punish the DNC' and make them learn a lesson is helpful is too high. If the Democrats were going to learn their lesson, they would have done so after 2016. Believing that by not voting, they'll affect the Democrats' strategy doesn't make them leftist, it makes them another flavour of liberal, who thinks establishment electoralism is a pathway to socialism.

A much more effective solution is to organize locally, educating people on real solutions and pushing for change that way, not by blindly assuming the Democrats will reflect on their loss and run a communist candidate next time.