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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I voted for Kamala..

It's the Democrats fault.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yup. They fucked us royally and I'm sort of waiting to see if people organize around this. The DNC needs to go. They've known about Trump since 16 and this is the campaign they run? They're trying to elect him at this point, I don't know what else to think.

Democrats: here's a rock and two nickels

Republicans: here's everything you've ever wanted and all the libertarian shit you used to jerk off to.

Liberals after the election: how did we lose??

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Lmao ditto

Anyone saying that it isn't the Democrats' fault is delusional. To win elections, you have to win favor with more people than the opposition, and Democrats failed to do that

Every argument I've been in since Tuesday has basically boiled down to "we didn't try to get more votes because we shouldn't have to"

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to "progressives", I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.

So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (5 children)

If these last 10 years have taught me anything, it's that most Americans are not progressives.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (5 children)

They don't identify that way but most Americans are in favor of progressive policies when asked

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

I'm actually getting a bit upset at these idealists. They have this childish notion that democracy works in this tit for tat way where politicians "earn" your vote by instating policies that benefit you and that you believe in. Like grow the fuck up already.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I voted for her. The Democrats are still at fault.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Yep, fuck the non voters for their ignorance, fuck the Dems for being a lesser evil in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!

Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong...

[–] [email protected] 110 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

You're in this picture whether you like it or not.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 days ago (18 children)
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[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Are we, the Democratic party out of touch?

No, it's the electorate's fault!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Nobody is arguing the DNC isn't out of touch.

however the electorate isn't much better. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Nice try on the strawman though, better than some.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don't want to fight.

What matters is policy. Real hard on the ground policy that real normal people can feel and see where they live.

When some wonk gets on MSNBC with a spreadsheet hooting about how much better things are with grocery prices or housing costs, that doesn't mean anything to someone who's begging for extra shifts at work so they can make rent. Those are aggregates and averages. If the 200k-500k bracket is doing better while the 13k-45k bracket isnt, the numbers still went up. That looks better in the data. But the people at the bottom are still suffering just as much as ever. They don't feel or see any improvement because there wasn't any. Not for them.

The health and performance of the stock market only matters to those on the bottom when it crashes and suddenly they're paying more for everything. At no other point does it impact them in the slightest. Those record profits aren't reinvested, they're not used to reduce the strain on consumers. Its gobbled up by a few dozen shareholders. It benefits nobody else. And if an executive or CEO has the slightest semblance of a soul and wants to help consumers they're voted out because the only responsibility is to those few dozen shareholders.

Healthcare. The ACA was a grand achievement. They took Romneycare national. Round of applause for all involved. But its still cheaper to do some form of Universal Healthcare. That would be the easiest win in history. And everyone would feel it immediately. It would help 100,000,000 people immediately. People who have been putting off medical treatment for half their lives because of the extortionist expense would immediately seek treatment. They would seek preventative treatment and raise the overall health across the country. Obesity rates drop, drug use plummets, etc.

Marijuana. Literally every person I know and interact with in my daily life uses it. Do you know the number one reason I've heard from all of them? Pain management. Again, another easy win that is supported by everyone except the ghouls who were alive when it was called "The Devil's Lettuce" and propagandized into believing its this terrible thing.

Hard Policy that people can feel and see in their daily lives. You can still court the comfortable liberals who care about the stock market and all that. They'll be fine no matter who is in office. If they need an abortion it's a weekend vacay to Zurich or somewhere. But you're never going to hold any meaningful power again without hard policy. Because for decades now the republicans have cornered the market on grievance politics and reaction. To break through that you need something real. No more vibes based nonsense. It will not work.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it's the Democrats at fault. Both are true.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (51 children)

Why are y'all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Harris ran a perfect campaign. If she was running as a (pre-Trump) republican. However, we know that:

  1. She isn't a Republican
  2. She banked on pulling in republican voters, instead of rallying her base
  3. Republicans will almost always vote for the R instead of policy
  4. She backed off of every single progressive idea she started with
  5. She trotted out establishment Democrats to lecture the electorate instead of inspire them
  6. Tlaib pulled twice the numbers as Harris as the only anti-genocide Palestinian in Congress

It's Harris and the Democrats. Should people have voted? Yes. Is it understandable why people didn't want to vote for the person telling them that she'll be a good republican and support a genocide? Also yes.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

False choice fallacy. Both can be the problem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

No, it's the democrats fault!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I can't just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???"

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago (9 children)

They're both right. If you didn't vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it's not my job to get Harris elected, it's the DNC's.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (8 children)

ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.

The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

This. I wish the Democrats would take some responsibility for their choices. But they won't. Morons.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Yeah its fucking both, duh.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Way more than two options here.

I voted for Harris, and I encouraged others to as well. And I think the Democratic leadership royally fucked up here.

The polls kinda sucked in the end, and I think one reason is that folks were embarrassed to admit they were voting for Trump. That to me says that they voted for him not because he's a racist sexist pig, but in spite of this.

But the polls did afaik get that the economy was hugely important. And the Democrats failed here both in current policy (groceries got more expensive over the course of Biden's term), and in proposed policy messaging. No one cares about home buyer credits if you can't afford groceries. (And no, I don't think Trump has a plan to lower prices aside from shady back room deals that will ultimately cost us big


but voters want something new...)

To be clear, I voted for Biden, I voted for Harris, and I'm pretty scared about the future. But the Democrats need to learn something from this or it's same story in four years. Maybe the lesson is "we can't count on the left in this country to vote for us by default," and maybe the lesson is, "for the love of God raise hell if the cost of living goes up, and do it in a way that appeals to the lowest common denominator."

[–] OpenPassageways 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I keep hearing about grocery prices, but no one has any explanation of what Biden was supposed to do about it that he wasn't already doing, or how Trump will handle it better.

If putting a Republican administration in place that will bend over for corporations causes lower grocery prices, doesn't that just prove that corporate greed was the main driver all along? Why can't people who voted Trump for these reasons understand that?

If voters keep voting like this, corporations are just going to purposely raise prices whenever someone they don't like is in power, and the sheep will just fall for it and we'll never be able to hold these corporations accountable.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Two things can be true at once.

Everyone who didn't vote, voted third party or for Trump, or encouraged others to do the same, supported fascism coming into power in this country.

Harris failed her country when it needed her, specifically, most; and the Dem leadership in general failed the country grotesquely in the same manner.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (9 children)

This meme makes me so mad. It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us. They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.

Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn't like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.

As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.

I'm just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's amazing how we get convinced to fight each other. The reason the orange felon got elected is that people voted for him. They are at fault that he got elected. Stop bickering amongst each other and call out those who would incite you to do so!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh we're not even waiting until 2028 to start up the infighting again. How fun. At least we'll have something to discuss while in line for the showers.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ah, yes. All of you *checks notes* 4.5 million eligible lemmy users who abstained should be ashamed of themselves. /s

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (36 children)

I keep reading all this finger pointing from people that actively spoke against voting for Harris.

Maybe those who ~~didn’t vote~~ abstained shouldn’t be allowed to complain.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

There’s a perverse bunch here on lemmy that are blaming the Democrat Party for their failure to vote. They justify it by essentially saying that because they weren’t catered to (being further left than centrist platform Harris ran) that it’s the democrat’s fault we got trump. That’s some republican-level victim shit. “We did the opposite of what we should and things didn’t get better!”

No, motherfucker, you sat this one out in a battleground state so we got a fascist and that’s better than Harris? WTF kind of logic is that?

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