this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2024
94 points (98.0% liked)
Comradeship // Freechat
2190 readers
116 users here now
Talk about whatever, respecting the rules established by Lemmygrad. Failing to comply with the rules will grant you a few warnings, insisting on breaking them will grant you a beautiful shiny banwall.
A community for comrades to chat and talk about whatever doesn't fit other communities
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I would genuinely delete your account. Your smugness is so embarrassing. How did you miss the point this obviously? To reiterate what they said, people are not “expected” to publicly affirm anything. They aren’t told to do anything. There is no requirement to post that you “love your trans comrades” like in your Orwell slop. But all this really is no clearer than:
What they are saying is not that not posting about “loving your trans comrades” is some indication of treachery, because that isn’t a statement in itself, but that people voluntarily enter these posts and go off against trans people and this weeds them out.
THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION, IN FACT THE SECOND POINT YOU QUOTED FOLLOWS FROM THE FIRST!!!
Luckily you don't have that power. phew
Please don't feel embarrassed.
keyword: daily. I already compared it to another social situation where something is also not mandatory, but it is expected.
So the thread was a ruse, feigning a daily ritual to provoke those who don't belong in revealing themselves, all the while the ritual's true purpose was obvious for those in the know. Totally not a cult. You're so knee-deep into it though that you don't see it, I'm trying to give you an outsider's perspective. Forums that aren't run on the logic of a cult just remove transphobic posts and warn/ban the person who made them.
It's true I didn't say "I love my trans comrades" today and got banned 20000000000,0000,00,00 trillion times! 😱😱😱😭😭😭😭
spoiler
I am joking and it's hilarious that I even have to clarify thatHexbear went woke 😞
Wow, another cult member.
I'm one of the people telling you you're wrong. I'm also one of the people TC69 just banned, and I taunted her publicly after she deleted her account. I have a 3 year grudge against her for fucking over the hexbear vegans.
You're still wrong about this.
Wait tc69 fucked over the hexbear vegans?
Now it all makes sense
I know who tc69 is now
I know whose accounts the wrecker accounts are
Its all that one user who got banned for being rabidly anti-vegan
If you're thinking of ~~Catradora_Stalinism~~ HelltakerHomosexual, I really don't think they're TC69, but they are the mod some users are accusing of being the wrecker (an admin said they know for a fact this isn't true)."Fucking over vegans" was banning all discussions of veganism outside of their comms and removing all the VCJ mods. Frankly a lot of the userbase probably agreed with these decisions but I strongly oppose them.
Edit: more accurately, HelltakerHomosexual is being accused of being the wrecker and also of being banned user Catradora_Stalinism. An admin stated that they confirmed Helltaker is not the wrecker. I don't have a strong opinion on whether either of these are true.
Its the only thing that makes sense to me though
With this assumption there would have to be only one culprit
TC69 isn't particularly anti-vegan, she just decided to take action against us instead of addressing the sitewide issues. Again I really don't she's the same person.
That's OK. I get to be wrong sometimes too, as a treat.
Lmao come on, you can't be serious.
Our recent struggle session has nothing to do with the bizarre 1984 narrative about trans people that you're trying to push.
No one is forced to say shit. We just usually ban transphobes who are actively shitty towards people who are pro-trans.
It's starting to look like that's why you hate us?
I always feel bad when I was agreeing with someone initially and then they just kind of dig themselves deeper and deeper and start saying less and less coherent stuff and it makes me realise they were probably masking some really uncool shit and I fell for it. :(
We were just talking about this with the mods, it's incredible how hard it is for people to just say I am sorry and do a tiny bit of self crit. I had just done so as I had just got off work and wasn't taking it seriously enough how bad shit had gone off the rails in the previous 8 or so hours.
I was just like "oh shit sorry my bad that sucks I need to investigate this" and then we were cool. And I get it, untangling niche communist shitposting site drama is for the most part an annoying waste of time (if you are not a moderator of said community and thus literally obligated to do), but like you can just ignore it. If you want to engage with a subject you must investigate it fully. As a comrade instructed me in that same instance I referred to apologizing for, NO INVESTIGATION NO RIGHT TO SPEAK.
Yeahhhhh...same. Think I'll actually log off this time, too much weird shit happening.
Never said they were.
I never said I hate you, what a silly inference.
It is not expected. You claim it is. Stop being an overly semantic debate bro get your transphobic ass back to Reddit.
and then
"If you don't perform in my x ritual you're anti-x." I guess you gave up on claiming I'm wrong and just embraced it?
Lmao. You keep digging that hole. I'm calling you a transphobe because you have a problem with us banning people who attack pro trans statements.
My friend in Christ, you are doing the equivalent of going to somewhere that is gay friendly and loudly shouting "I can't believe you're forced to kiss dudes here!" At the first sign of dudes kissing.
You're not expected to kiss dudes, you won't be banned for not kissing dudes, but if you loudly voice disgust every time dudes kiss, I'm kicking you out of the bar. That is not Orwellian or unfair, it is basic anti-harrassment policy.
Never said that. I literally wrote in a post that a website should delete transphobic posts and ban people who make them, but that I don't agree with the "affirmative ritual". Why are you being dishonest?
Yeah, okay, you're full of shit. You have had it explained to you several times by several people.
You accuse me of saying something, when I tell you I never said it, you say I'm full of shit.
Don't patronise me.
Mmhmm yup that's for sure what is happening
Glad we agree.
are you cis?
If I told you I was a trans black woman, would you think my argument was correct?
DEI accusations now?
You should sign-up for the strawman competition.
Did you take that photo recently?
Since I'm cis I would butt out of the conversation. I'll take your answer as a yes however and tell you to shut the fuck up about "rituals" or whatever that take place in communities (in this case trans community) that you're not part of. You have nothing to gain here, no valuable perspective to offer and no hope of understanding the ins and outs of a community you're not part of. Leave it be.
OK, lib. Thanks for proving my point about the thread being an affirmation of group belonging.
I don't understand. Is hexbear only for trans people or only trans people are allowed to be admins/mods/make decisions?
Below pedantry.
It’s not expected. There is no expectation that you must post daily, or ever, that you “love your trans comrades.” You compared it to another social situation, I asked for evidence posting in these threads is taken into account somehow like with that example and you said I was in a cult.
You’re quoting Gribbli for the daily point, but they didn’t literally mean daily. This doesn’t happen daily on like a schedule where you’re expected to post this, or even where anybody posts this. It happens often but if that’s your keyword, your argument is washed. You can access all posts on Hexbear, so tell me where this is posted daily.
It’s not a daily ritual. You know nothing about Hexbear and yet you feel like you can critique the site culture. You’re actually embarrassing yourself. No, the point of people posting that they “love their trans comrades” is both to show support and to make the site’s position clear and turn away/root out any anti-trans users. These aren’t mutually exclusive.
You’re an outsider times two. You’re going off the word of another outsider and extrapolating that to spin up this idea that users saying they love their trans comrades is some daily ritual that users will be rewarded for or punished for not completing. You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Now I feel kinda bad for airing old hexbear semi-drama. Really didn't mean for anyone to try to make a point with it, just wanted to state my own experience :\
Nah, you didn't do anything wrong. People are responsible for their own actions, not you.
You did nothing wrong
Well, I wouldn't know.
This is true.
Not a daily ritual then, but a ritual nonetheless.
Yes, it can be all those things and still be a ritual
"to show support"
"to make the site’s position clear"
"turn away/root out any anti-trans users"
Rituals are a normal part of human life, we have all sorts of rituals. That said, rituals on websites are weird.
I never said that. But I will bet you that people who are regulars in those sorts of threads look more favourably on each other. Why are we pretending like I invented the concept of feeling belonging to a group? What I am saying is not controversial. You claim I got it wrong, but then confirm my assumptions, and then you get angry about it.
I am sorry if the word "cult" rubbed you the wrong way, it was hyperbole, I didn't mean to insult anyone. Much like "daily thread" doesn't mean literally daily. I don't mean that you are literally in a cult. Hexbear seems to engage in rituals that strengthen group belonging, I am not making a value judgment wrong or right, I think it's weird and I don't like it.
No investigation, no right to speak.
Fair. That could have been the first response. But I guess you all had to get the insults out of you, I hope it was cathartic.
You are one smug piece of shit you know that right?
It is almost impressive.
Typical bully response.
Alright, you wouldn’t know anything about this. Then there’s nothing else to say.
I didn’t confirm your assumptions, I already responded to this. Call it a ritual if you like, I don’t care. Genuinely just semantics. The argument comes in when you say that it’s weird and you “don’t like it” (welcome back Kamala!!).
So? You could say that for any thread. People interact with each other and share viewpoints and form connections. How sinister!! This is not the same as what you said before. You now this.