Is there hope?
this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2024
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I'm not reading the thread but being in favor of communism works in theory, but in practice (lol) all these settlers will actually lose their quality of life if we were to have a revolution since we would have to dismantle imperialism and the benefits it provides. Few westerners are going to accept that, and so they will choose the treat button 9/10 times. Revolution happens in places where they have nothing to lose but their chains, but losing brunch and U2 at the Vegas sphere is not gonna fly
I don't think this is so true. If the billionaire and high-multimillionaire class is liquidated, that's a lot of resources and more importantly political power that is back in the hands of the proletariat. The ability to (on average) live in a society that actually has policies like what you want instead of trudging on with a "this is what reality is" resignated sigh is valuable (especially since most people are minoritized in some way besides being proles). Resources being spent towards pro-social ends instead of on corruption and the vanity of billionaires is also a gain that's hard to fathom. Yeah, there will be petite-bourg fuckers who want to continue with their fiefdoms unchallenged by nasty things like labor rights, but that's always the case to some extent. There will be a fascist movement from them that needs to be crushed, but that doesn't override the huge amount that people have to gain from revolution.
The debate is largely mute, climate change guarantees revolutionary conditions one way or another (whether that revolution is successful is another story)
But for an American revolution to materialize in any way, shape or form the overseas empire has to fall FIRST, for the simple reason the overseas imperial complex empowers and materially sustains the overwhelming security state at home
There is no American org (potential or actual) that can overcome the might of 18 intelligence agencies, 5 bloated military branches, 1,000,000 heavily armed police officers and a reserve of at least 100 million potential brownshirts
It's ironic, the US is in this specific aspect firmly a one-to-one with Czarist Russia, only a catastrophic overseas defeat can open the path toward revolution and even then 50 White Armies will spring up to meet the revolution
Death to America
The basic idea is not to fight the state in an open war, but to become ungovernable and deprive it of resources until it implodes. Yeah, it gets a lot of shit from other places, but it gets a lot of shit here, too. Lots of American jobs involve taking something imported and then processing it in some way (e.g. chip production) so it can be used for a higher-order function. The military still outsources a fair amount of industrial manufacturing processes despite its incredible girth.
p.s. it's moot
That's true, but the US has far more capacity to exert control at home than abroad, it's the weakest link that matters and can tip the scales, and all the weak links are overseas
It's impossible to become ungovernable if you're dead or in prison, but it's almost impossible for a state to guarantee that outcome if it's reeling from a collapsed military infrastructure
It is not, Czarist Russia actually had a very small segment of population supporting it, while America has majority of its population firmly tied to the state. A catastrophic defeat would be just a first step, you need to completely dismantle American Empire to even have a chance.