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In support of your point, here's a nice little quote from Emperor Claudius, who was also a scholar and a historian:
I have a fantastic book on the subject, Imperial Ideology and Provincial Loyalty in the Roman Empire, highly recommend.
Wow, that's a hell of a quote. That's a sentiment that rankles people today.
The more things change, the more they stay the same, right?
More seriously, it's one of the reasons I adore Rome so much - many of the records and systems depict something that feels modern, asking the same fundamental questions and getting into the same arguments, as we do today.
And it's always hilarious that bureaucracy is timeless.
Yeah, exactly! Nothing else comes close. The medieval and early-modern periods are just very different (and non-civilisational, I guess?), and then modern industrial civilisation grows up on top of it before the old is fully gone everywhere. If you want eerie parallels, you do Rome.
The history of unrelated civilisations on other continents seems inaccessible in English, or in the case of the Americas just poorly preserved in general, thanks to said early-modern Europeans.
God, what the Spanish did to Mesoamerican codices will forever haunt me as a student of history. Just pure barbarism, literal book-burning.
Ever seen the scene of The Place that Sends You Mad in Asterix?
Claudius is a madlad all around. The gall to write an apparently too honest history while the subject of that history is still alive and your emperor is amazing.
It's a shame his writings haven't survived, I'm sure they'd be fascinating.
Is the book you recommend accessible to non-historians?
After losing the book in an apartment the size of a thimble and, after some effort, re-finding it in this hellhole, I managed to give it a look-over! It's more accessible than I remember, even. Very friendly, even if your only background is reading a beginner's guide to Roman history or the like. Detailed, yes, but with explanations of any context that would be unfamiliar to your average layman.
Awesome, that sounds like I'd enjoy checking it out (and not just because if I didn't, I'd feel bad about the effort you put into finding it)
Tangentially related: It's unfortunate and possibly ironic that the people who would most benefit from learning some history are often ill-equipped with the skills needed to study history. My late best friend was a historian, and as a scientist, something I cherished in our friendship was the insight into the historian's perspective. It felt like a jarringly different way of viewing the world, but that's why it felt useful. He'd probably feel proud (and a little smug) to see that my interest in history has lasted even though he wasn't here to feed it.
I was going to say yes, but let me find it so I can reread a chapter or two and be sure. It's not for beginners, but if you're looking into niches like the question of ideology and regional loyalty, it reasonably presumes that you know what the Roman Empire is and its basic aspects.