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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So was it the the Russians who blew up their own Nord pipeline, or was it that Ukrainian guy with a yacht? It's hard to keep track

Data cables defo Russia sabotage (if deliberate), doesn't serve anyone else's goals

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ukranian special ops, acting on their own

Edit: Story

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thst story is completely fake - it has no source.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except for the German federal prosecutors, Dutch officials, former Ukranian commander in chief, and the sabotage team themselves, I suppose you're right.

Days after the attack, in October 2022, Germany’s foreign secret service received a second tipoff about the Ukrainian plot from the CIA, which again passed on a report by the Dutch military intelligence agency MIVD. It offered a detailed account of the attack, including the type of boat used and the possible route taken by the crew, according to German and Dutch officials.

Inasumuch as you can have a source for a covert operation after the fact.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you link the direct source - like, statement of german police or official press conference?

I've spent some time looking into this and found no direct sources.

BTW, these articles are copypaste - There were bunch of much older (2023?) ones which I also failed to find any credible source for.

EDIT: Correction, the first articles about this came out 3 months ago

The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

The part about Zelenski ordering sabotage while drunk has both no source and is utterly ridiculous.

I agree. I also didn't see it in the article -?

If you want to find German federal prosecutor records, or Dutch itelligence reports - I'm not sure where to go for those.

It pains me to say this but the WSJ, while being a Murdoch rag and certainly guilty of ridiculous bias in the way it reports things, isn't really known for making up things whole cloth like the Daily Mail or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you think German police would issue an arrest warrant against a Ukrainian, while their country is supporting Ukraine in the war, if they didn't have any solid proof? https://apnews.com/article/germany-nord-stream-pipelines-explosions-investigation-d5579ea69995e8f309ac58c588c39004

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Prosecutors have a lead against someone holding Ukrainian citizenship. That doesn't say anything more than that someone with Ukrainian citizenship was involved, in particular it doesn't say that he's not a Russian operative. Or Polish, for that matter, the Poles were uncharacteristically uncooperative.

In any case it's not like Germany would be mad it's the wheels of justice churning as usual. Heck at this point I haven't ruled out that it was a German operation. The whole yacht theory is in general on shaky ground because one does not just lower some sea mines with a yacht. Or smuggle them to a Polish port. etc., etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky initially approved the plan, according to one officer who participated and three people familiar with it. But later, when the CIA learned of it and asked the Ukrainian president to pull the plug, he ordered a halt, those people said. Zelensky’s commander in chief, Valeriy Zaluzhniy, who was leading the effort, nonetheless forged ahead.

Not exactly on their own initially according to this article.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Zelensky took Zaluzhniy to task, but the general shrugged off his criticism, according to three people familiar with the exchange. Zaluzhniy told Zelensky that the sabotage team, once dispatched, went incommunicado and couldn’t be called off because any contact with them could compromise the operation.

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