this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2024
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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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I am all about not calling the cops, but is there a good alternative for someone to call for situations that need deescalated before people get hurt or worse? I keep getting awful neighbors. Had to call CPS on the first family for extreme negligence and they had their kids taken away the same day I reported them. The last ones were selling drugs, but were mostly quiet with an occasional super loud dispute that would honestly scare me. Didn't know they were selling drugs until their house got raided, though. The new ones are VERY quiet and don't seem interested in even properly introducing themselves, so I'm hoping they're cool, but with the track record of that place... I expect bad times to come. I would love to know what services I could utilize if things escalate to the point where I become fearful of being outside or whatever
I've heard that firefighters are people that actually wants to help, but calling them would also steal from firefighting resources.
My town has an absurd amount of firefighters and first responders. I broke my leg last year and 30 people, both firefighters and paramedics, showed up and poured into my house. It took 3 of them to get my leg stabilized haul me into the ambulance. The rest ended up just standing around in my yard doing nothing lol. When we passed the fire department/ paramedic place, there were like 10 other people hanging around the ambulances and fire trucks in their uniforms just shooting the shit.
The service is "talk to your neighbors, find out who has what skills and resources, and share an investment in your community." If everyone sucks... try to leave. But with the police being what they are it's not more dangerous to posse up and give the Neighborhood Watch some teeth.
My only good neighbor weighs almost 400lbs and has ruined knees and a fucked up spine. Wish there was a neighborhood watch, but most of my town is impoverished, so there's a lot of shitty people. The town is nice overall imo, but the shitty people definitely bring it down when they start their shenanigans. The small police force is very active and most criminals are taken into custody peacefully, but ACAB and it's just a matter of time before they start killing folks. I do own a gun and know how to use it, have two very loud dogs, and my house has a good alarm system and the fenced in yard has a gate that confuses a lot of people. I'm not afraid of anyone breaking in to hurt me or whatever, but I don't want to get dragged into anything if I'm outside at the wrong time, especially if my dogs are out because they are liable to get shot with how much they want to see people and how loud they are.
Idk sounds like the mother in law called the cops, and we all know how mother in laws tend to be