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"If you believe murder is wrong because society told you murder is wrong, is murder really wrong?"
Hitler got many people to believe that murder is right when it's done to specific people. Did that make it right? Of course not.
I think every nation offers that argument, not just Hitler.
Very true, we murder people all the time in the US when they do something horrific enough for us to dole out that punishment. Lots of everyday people are convinced it's okay to do so.
Exactly.
If you had evidence that you are a victim of manipulation, it shakes your certainty.
Shouldn't it?
But like
There are Truths, There are lies.
A truth is still the truth even if a majority believes in that.
A lie is still a lie even if a majority believes in that.
When you learn something, you independenly think about it using logics to ascertain its truthfulness.
Of course, humans can only experience reality subjectively, there's no guarantee you always find the truth.
Like the idea of "Killing people is bad"
Why?
Well I don't want that happening to me.
If I kill someone, someone else could see me doing that and their relatives could seek revenge.
If I get away with killing without consequences, then others will also think its okay, which would make it normal to kill people, which increase the likelihood me being the victim of a killing.
Therefore. Killing is bad.
Like that. You think using logic to decide for yourself if you should believe in something.
It should. Too often though the victims of manipulation are also manipulated into believing other people telling the truth are lying or people trying to help are actually the ones manipulating the victim. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing. It's like if someone believes the earth is flat because they were manipulated into believing that, along with being told the evil government is hiding the flat earth truth from them. Then, if the government offers irrefutable proof that the earth is round, the victim might categorically dismiss that proof as propaganda. This further drives them into this manipulation. And it can make it even harder to get through to them.