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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Now calculate how many generations of turkeys will be eaten till the waste stops killing people

Edit: can't believe how many people here are falling for nuclear. Have you all learned nothing from what companies did with fossil fuels? Taking the profits and leaving humanity with a fucked up world? And now you are falling for the same stuff with nuclear again, I assume this is the discourse in america which is so scewed? Here in Europe people are not that naive... Even the ones in France, which is quite into nuclear are reasonable and see the waste problem normally.

And here on Lemmy people really come and say "nuclear waste isn't dangerous, it didn't kill anyone"

Wtf people?!

[–] stephen01king 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How many people has all the waste we've produced kill up to now?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll

Quite a few (if you remember not even a fraction oft its life time is over by now)

Also: radiation doesn't kill right away. Often you live 10 more years with weird symptoms and die from something like heart attack, so your death isn't counted as "caused by radiation exposure" but as "died from cancer" or "heart attack"

[–] stephen01king 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, radiation can kill people decades later, but so does pollution from burning fossil fuel. BTW, your link talks about nuclear accidents, not the number of people killed by nuclear wastes produced normally, which is what you claimed is killing people. A bit of a misdirection on your part, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No one is arguing for fossils lol That's a strawman

And yes, I just gave you the first link I found, point given, but you wouldn't argue that nuclear waste is safe to be around would you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's not a strawman. It is 100% completely comparable to your point. You're over here using deaths as a point against a technology when the current de facto standard society runs on us unimaginably worse.

But keep handwaving and calling actual legitimate arguments against what you're saying, "Strawmen." It's great and doesn't stifle healthy discussions in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dude, its a strawman because im not arguing pro fossil but pro solar, Wind, Walter and economical and social change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

To be arguing pro solar, wind, water, and social and economic change, you would have had to have mentioned them. The only things you said were isolated anti nuclear rhetoric, lol. Ultimately, I agree with you, but read back through the comment thread, perhaps.

tl;dr - It was not a strawman, but opposition to your comments as existing in a vacuum.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its like saying electric cars are good for the environment just because benzin cars are worse. Its not true. Both are bad for the environment.

The nuclear waste is a fucking problem, no matter if burning coal also is a fucking problem

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Speaking of strawmen, no one said nuclear energy is good for the environment. Nice job using exactly what you accuse others of doing, though. Spot on projection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nuclear waste is indeed a problem, however it is a contained problem that can be isolated. Oil's byproduct are distributed into the atmosphere and are killing every living thing on earth. Do you know how many people die every year due to pollution from burning fossil fuels? It's orders of magnitude worse. The fear of nuclear waste, while absolutely an issue, is so incredibly blown out of proportion compared to the silent killer that is fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You people always come and compare to oil.

THATS A STRAWMAN NOONE IS ARGUING FOR OIL

yes short term the rising temp by climate gases is prob worse, but you need to compare it to actual alternatives, like wind, water, sun -.-

Everyone fucking knowes that oil needs to be stopped from being used better yesterday then today, but this doesn't make nuclear any better

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You people always come and compare different energy sources to one another

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its saying Corona isn't dangerous because cancer is worse.

When the actual comparison should be made between corona and getting a corona antibody shot.

Sure you can compare nuclear with fossils and will see: both lots of downsides bad, we shouldn't use them. The problem is when you stop there, don't compare it to wind, solar, water, and then go around hyping nuclear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I specifically pointed out that nuclear energy has its issues. Holy crap, you just accused others of strawmanning when they aren't, then strawman yourself.

We're done with this conversation. Nothing productive will come of it. Learn to have a productive conversation instead of stifling others.

Cheers.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Things lemmy loves: imperial propaganda, corporate propaganda, genocide, joe and kamala, liberalism, blaming (non)voters, anti-russian racism, etc.

Still better than reddit.