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I still feel we are arguing over different things. There are young confused boys who are struggling with life and adulthood and a section of men are telling them that at least a part of their problems is coming from how women behave. Then there's your middle aged uncle who hits his wife. Two very different groups. The latter cannot be saved, no arguments from me.
How about we compromise and say that other men use 'elder brotherly guidance' and peer pressure to pull them out while women keep their distance from them. Is that acceptable?
And of those confused young boys only one group choses to blame women and join an extremist group that has killed people because of its views.
That's not normal and it's not something to be treated like it's normal. It's insane.
That is literally perfect thank you <3
I have helped out quite a few younger men who looked up to me and I did "fix" most of them. I can't say how much of that was me versus the maturity that comes with age. There are ones I couldn't, whom I don't talk to anymore and wouldn't try again either. But I do believe that a big chunk, if not the majority, can improve because I've seen it happen myself.
And women can do a lot here if they want. Three girls simultaneously saying "eww" or "that's very uncool" does way more damage to a young man's confidence than you realise. You have to let it cook.
Reactionary ideologies like these prey on the vulnerable. And we cannot just abandon all vulnerable. They can be communism's biggest allies because they are usually the most exploited.
Well that's wholesome but it's not your job and also are they addressing how they view women? It's okay to deprogram as an incel but if you haven't addressed the subconscious or conscious misogyny that lead to that extremism then it's a plaster on a wound, not a cure i feel.
Dude we have tried, I can't speak for anyone else but I didn't abandon the men in group because they were incels, we fought to reign in their shit, we educated them on what women actually look for, we gave them everything other men in this chat have claimed will help incels and from experience it never ever works because when someone is in an ideology that blames women they inherently don't trust us/value us/value our opinion because they are already blaming us.
In fact trying to give incels a chance is what lead to several of my friends being stalked, harassed and bullied and that's not discussing my own experience.
In the end someone in this thread literally suggested the idea of sex coaches for incels, that's insane. That is a disconnect that I can't begin to discuss. We do not need comfort women for incels to stop being hateful.
That is an unfortunate experience. And the comfort women idea is just eww. I've only seen this idea floated in far-right circles.
Multiple people in this thread my dude. This is what happens when extremism isn't shut down.
Edit: I was so harsh earlier, I want to say sorry. This whole thread was horrific to read and genuinely terrifying. Watching men decide for me or other women that we owe our abusers time to reform them and we are the problem for pushing back. It's a lot. Its scary, it shows men haven't learn the basic lesson we've being screaming for centuries "stop making decisions for us and taking away our agency". A key lesson a lot of people in this thread could do with internalising imo.
I think what you are doing to help big brother these peeps is great honestly.
I just worry that without condemning it as the extremism it is, we get comments making a serious suggestion for sex coaches for incels in a supposed safe space for leftists. How does that happen?
It's okay. You don't need to apologise. I was also missing an important point.
Soz you think that cos you creep women out you are entitled to your own personal comfort women.