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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I read an interesting article a while back. Rather long but one of the key points was previously spices were expensive and only available to the upper class, and were used in their foods fairly extensively. As spices became more affordable to lower classes they were used, but then the upper class haute cuisine stopped using them because they’d lost their exclusivity. Instead they focused on techniques to highlight a food’s inherent flavor, particularly with things like meat.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Interesting. Certainly tracks with other culinary trends, though! Like lobster, which had a reverse journey - in the 19th century, when it was dirt-common, it was fed to prisoners, and prisoners complained about it. Nowadays? There are people who'd gladly go to prison if it meant free lobster several times a week, lmao.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dunno, I've seen many more sources in support of the general thrust of the idea (if not necessarily the details that article claims to refute, like it being the primary food for prisoners)

https://www.history.com/news/a-taste-of-lobster-history

https://thekitchenknowhow.com/did-lobster-used-to-be-prison-food/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, the History channel is a joke. And the thing about urban myths is, everybody repeats them. You just can't ever find an actual source for the information.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lobsters were so abundant in the early days—residents in the Massachusetts Bay Colony found they washed up on the beach in two-foot-high piles—that people thought of them as trash food. It was fit only for the poor and served to servants or prisoners. In 1622, the governor of Plymouth Plantation, William Bradford, was embarrassed to admit to newly arrived colonists that the only food they “could presente their friends with was a lobster … without bread or anyhting else but a cupp of fair water” (original spelling preserved). Later, rumor has it, some in Massachusetts revolted and the colony was forced to sign contracts promising that indentured servants wouldn’t be fed lobster more than three times a week.

“Lobster shells about a house are looked upon as signs of poverty and degradation,” wrote John J. Rowan in 1876. Lobster was an unfamiliar, vaguely disgusting bottom feeding ocean dweller that sort of did (and does) resemble an insect, its distant relative. The very word comes from the Old English loppe, which means spider. People did eat lobster, certainly, but not happily and not, usually, openly. Through the 1940s, for instance, American customers could buy lobster meat in cans (like spam or tuna), and it was a fairly low-priced can at that. In the 19th century, when consumers could buy Boston baked beans for 53 cents a pound, canned lobster sold for just 11 cents a pound. People fed lobster to their cats.

https://psmag.com/economics/how-lobster-got-fancy-59440/

The urban myth overwhelmingly seems to be that prisoners were primarily fed lobster, and a recurring unsubstantiated story of servants refusing to eat it several times a week. Not in contestation is that it was a lower-class food, that it was cheap, or that prisoners in the period certainly were fed lobster oftentimes precisely because it was cheap.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah sorry, I actually misread your 1st reply to me. Yeah, I'm not disputing that lobster used to be cheap and low class. I'm just saying the story about it getting fed to prisoners as their primary diet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

No worries! Always good to combat urban legends, in any case!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think the difference there is widely available large quantities of butter.