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You are extremely twisted up.
Liberalism is not right wing, and what you're talking about is neoliberalism. Which is different.
Overton window around here is so far right you think you're the one correcting him... Fuck damn.
Compared to monarchy/fascism, liberalism is farther towards the center but it does not often cross that line.
Hahaha imagine being this arrogant and immediately shooting yourself in the foot.
No Liberalism is left leaning. It is a center ideology 100% but liberalism is left leaning. The concept of liberalism literally became in existence opposite of a monarchy right wing style, placing it to the left.
Now since then the term liberalism has been abused especially in the US but you live in a world that was ruled by kings and still is in many ways. But you think globally that means liberals are right leaning?? Outside of your mind.
In our day and age liberalism is center right. It was left wing back in Napoleonic times. But its post-cold war now. Capitalism and thoroughly replaced feudalism.
cause you're talking about three different kinds of liberalism thinking they're the same
Different evolutions of the same ideological movement representing the same socioeconomic class. How is this hard to understand? All US presidents have been liberals. Different types of liberals exist but they are still liberals.
Apparently for you it is. Go take a single political science class and tell your teacher Liberalism is right wing ideology or right leaning they're gonna ask you to prove it and you'll say "well fiscally" and they're gonna laugh at you
This is the academic and historical definition of liberalism that I'm using. Your US civics teacher gave you the brain damage to think liberalism is the opposite of conservatism and not just a clever slander of progressives.
No it is not. You tried to say in "Napoleonic times" it WAS left and moved right.
That is not how ideologies work and that is not how the political spectrum works either. Literally google political spectrum I would bet my testicles enough of them exist that literally label the left side "Liberal"
And no my polisci professor did not say it is the opposite of conservatism especially because it predates such a thing. In fact conservatism is considered a reactionary political stance to liberalism. Instead he made it clear before Liberalism there was really only traditionalism and people discussing concepts like liberty and freedom and such, there wasn't anything to compare it to. He also made it clear that defining these and stances about these politics is extremely difficult for example people still dunno if Jefferson agreed or disagreed with Locke because of the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness line.
But what he did make absolutely clear was the political spectrum was not very well made and that liberalism is left wing you dope
No. You’re completely wrong. Liberalism is a right wing ideology. Neoliberalism is even further right. The entire US political spectrum save for a tiny handful of elected officials (Bernie and the squad, most of whom are centrists at best) are right wing to fascist.
Nope. You completely don't understand classic liberalism and modern liberalism or neoliberalism
Dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Because what three yuppies think Liberalism, the beginning of the concept of left wing anything, is right wing? Billions of people on the planet three morons aren't right big deal lmfao.
Liberalism enshrines capitalism so it's right of center.
Uh huh and what about the rest of liberalism
You're talking about the social politics of liberalism? Typically people will use more of a compass to better describe the intersection between social and fiscal policies. Fiscal is the left to right, Liberty is the bottom to top, and some even add a Z axis for progressive vs regressive.
While there are different flavors, American liberalism is considered right of center on fiscal policy but less authoritarian on more personal freedoms than conservative views. Ie: both support big business, but liberals are more okay if you're LGBT+.
Excerpt from Wikipedia about classical liberalism: "In the context of American politics, "classical liberalism" may be described as "fiscally conservative" and "socially liberal".[55] Despite this, classical liberals tend to reject the right's higher tolerance for economic protectionism and the left's inclination for collective group rights due to classical liberalism's central principle of individualism.[56] Additionally, in the United States, classical liberalism is considered closely tied to, or synonymous with, American libertarianism."
Hahaha sure.
I agree largely with the information you've presented but you're swerving to prove a point.
Liberalism as a whole umbrella term is absolutely left wing. It literally is like the basis of left wing anything. Fiscally it is only considered more right than it was because of the introduction of socalism really but broadly across the world and history no liberalism in all forms is left leaning even if it suggests some right leaning fiscal policies it also has left leaning fiscal policies, affordable healthcare, housing, the idea of people not being dirt poor or slaves to a system stems from liberalism in its heart, name and literally everything else liberalism is left wing. The most right leaning form of liberalism, neoliberalism is still domestically pretty left leaning.
You guys hangout too inside a box of leftness everything you see is right leaning
Within your Overton window, liberalism is left wing. Compared to the gamut of political ideologies, it is not.
liberalism is literally what started the concept of left wing.
You're absolutely silly