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The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

More than a month on from polling day, eligible US voters from across the country as well as other parts of the world got in touch with the Guardian to share why they did not vote.

Scores of people said they had not turned out as they felt their vote would not matter because of the electoral college system, since they lived in a safely blue or red state. This included a number of people who nonetheless had voted in the 2020 and 2016 elections.

While various previous Democratic voters said they had abstained this time due to the Harris campaign’s stance on Israel or for other policy reasons, a number of people in this camp said they would have voted for the vice-president had they lived in a swing state.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Who decides what is misinformation? The government who is in power and has a vested interest in maintaining power?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Internationally recognized 3rd party committee with elected members and strict regulations on conflicts of interests would be one option.

Or just stick with the current dumpster fire that could not possibly get any worse. (Well i suppose it could, and will)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, Australia doesn’t have it much better with misinformation. If a Labor (left-ish) government is in power, you can bet your arse that the papers will have a front page article every week on some screw up, no matter how minor. But when the Liberals (right) get in.. crickets.

I would love some third party, but I fear that faith in any body like that is wearing thin. When the UN won’t stand up to its war-mongering members, I don’t think some org telling Trump not to call Biden a pedo is going to achieve much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm speaking more about rebuilding from the ashes once everything burns. Sort of like how UN, NATO, and the beginnings of the EU were only made possible through extreme circumstances. Hopefully not that extreme, but this country is going to endure turmoil that I don't think most Americans are ready for.

But maybe if we survive it we'll be more willing to assess the circumstances that lead us there and take real and drastic action to prevent it from happening again. Or not.. But I don't want to give up hope completely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Rebuilding from the ashes hey? Isnt that what the communists and the techbros want?

I find it ironic that we started with government havih a stranglhold of mainstream media propagandising everyone and now that we have the internet any anyone can run their propaganda (equallity of free speach) suddenly we now have to worry about propaganda.

Isnt the whole point that in the marketplace of ideas the best ones continue and the worste ones die? Is that not exactly what a platform like lemmy is?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Yes, burn like our newly-elected leaders have essentially promised. Are you offended that I'm acknowledging that reality?

And no, the internet won't let truth ring out to the world. I thought the same when I was a wee lad too. The information superhighway. The end of oppressive government censorship.

The Information Age.

But no, maybe it's not apparent in your neck of the woods yet, but it is here, and China, and Russia, and countless other backsliding nations: the Internet wasn't our saviour, and bad ideas don't naturally die if they are pushed to the masses. They thrive.

Lying trolls are downvoted on lemmy, we don't give free passes and call everything "free speech" and remove voting buttons so we don't hurt feelings. But sites like X where there is much larger reach don't even offer that level of self-regulation. Bad ideas are boosted purposely and relentlessly. News channels have degraded to similar levels under increasingly partisan private ownership.

The Disinformation Age.

But between relentlessly spreading Trump talking points, one thing partisan networks like Fox News and OAN refused to push were claims about rigged voting machines, even when interviewing Trump in person.

Because they got sued. And lost. Badly and expensively.

Because libel has always been illegal in this country. Because we all inherently understand that free speech does not cover spreading blatant lies about people/companies.

But no person/entity pursues this in scale against even the most egregious far-reaching examples. Like when Musk boosts an article to millions claiming the MAGA nutjob who tried to beat Nancy Pelosi's husband to death was his gay lover. Nothing. When Trump continues to declare the Democrats stole the 2020 election despite it being settled by every court case. Nothing.

Despite having provenly effective tools to keep people honest we've let things degrade to the point where nobody even needs to give a second thought as to whether they are expressing an opinion or just slandering/manipulating people because we are afraid that calling out blatant lies is violating "free speech". Meanwhile a fascist regime abuses that to dismantle our democracy, frequently threatens any press who speak against them, threatens to jail prosecutors who cross them while performing their duties, political opponents who don't bend to their will. And if that's the case, then our democracy will burn, and then we'll see what not having "free speech" really looks like.

There was a time in this country when we had policies like the Fairness Doctrine, upheld by the Supreme Court, enforced by the FCC, where bias in media was actually regulated. Throughout the most prosperous time in this country, from the late 1940s until, like many things that began our rapid decline, Reagan killed it.

Now even leveraging the much weaker tools remaining, in the face an existential threat to our democracy, is seen as some radical idea.

[–] MagicShel 1 points 4 days ago

Lemmy is definitely not that. It's an echo chamber like any other. Ideas that mollify or agree with the zeitgeist are promoted regardless of merit.

[–] treadful 0 points 4 days ago

We're able to adjudicate things like libel and slander just fine.