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Elon Musk’s F-35 ‘idiots’ remark was wrong, says Lockheed Martin boss (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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Lockheed Martin UK’s chief, Paul Livingston, defended the F-35 stealth jet program after Elon Musk called it obsolete due to advances in unmanned drones.

Livingston emphasized the F-35’s unmatched capabilities, including stealth, battlefield data-sharing, and cost-efficiency by replacing multiple aircraft types.

While Musk labeled the program overly expensive and poorly designed, Livingston argued drones alone can’t match the F-35’s capabilities or defend against threats like China’s J20 jets.

Despite criticism over cost and reliability, the F-35 remains integral to NATO defenses, with widespread adoption across 19 nations, including the UK.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The criticism I've heard came from flag officers making statements like "It can't run, can't climb, and can't fight"...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes. Indirectly or directly echoing ideas that have propogated through the military from Pierre Sprey and his allies in the "Fighter plane mafia." Its genuinely hard to express what an undue influence these people have had on military thinking over the decades. These are the same people who convinced everyone that the Bradley (y'know, the one that has been fucking up tanks in Ukraine) is a bad vehicle.

"Can't run, can't climb, can't fight" is the sort of thing you say when you're under the impression that it's still 1939 and we're still using energy maneuver theory.

Dogfighting is as meaningful to modern combat as cavalry charges. The officers echoing this bullshit are no different than the ones who claimed that machine guns were overrated. Warfare has changed. Modern fighters operate like submarines; the goal is to detect and kill the enemy before they detect and kill you. Maneuverability has nothing to do with it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone who has fought war...

You're not right. You're not even wrong.

Get back to me after you've at least done PLDC or BNOC.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I'm in Canada, we don't have those. PLQ would probably be the closest equivalent up here.

Also PLDC is called WLC now. Sorry, I know it's tough having to move with the times, but you really do have to try to keep up.