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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liking to receive anal isn't necessarily related to sexuality.

I don't like the assumption here that any man who is attracted to men likes receiving anal, or that any man who likes being pegged isn't straight because of that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alright, then I like a man that’ll either do the above or ram both my holes. Who cares?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ram both my holes

I don't consent to an explicit conversation with these details. To continue in that vein is sexual harassment.

I'm trying to politely point out your implied bi/homophobia as they're typically not condoned here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are seriously reading way too far into it. JFC. I lived as a top gay man that despised anal for 34 years of my life. I know how this shit goes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure you are. I know my own proclivities and how I've lived my life. Now fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You said that you like bisexual men because they all like to receive anal.

This is biphobic, no matter your experience.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're clearly putting words into my mouth and you are most definitely reading too far into it.

Need I fucking say it again? For 34 years of my life I lived as a gay man who did not enjoy receiving anal. What I said in that original post, is clearly a joke as is quite clear from the other replies I received. Again, you are reading too far into this. Stop being a humorless twit.

EDIT: To clarify, I never said anything about ALL bi men. Secondly, I've lived the life. I didn't like receiving anal. Still don't. That's the point I'm trying to make here. You're implying that I mean all when I never said anything of the sort. I even attempted to get you to understand that I clearly didn't mean all by giving you my personal experience. Beyond all that, I like pegging men. I turned it into a joke. The fact that this petty argument is what you came away with is why I say you're definitely reading too far into it. And, to be fair, I've been more pan my entire life, but I've never made any attempt towards anyone other than men, so there's that as well. Glad I could clarify this while I'm a little more clearheaded from not dealing with a blast of can't pay attention to anything.