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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'll just leave this here, where George Lucas explicitly confirms the rebels were the communist Vietnamese and the Empire is america: https://youtu.be/Nxl3IoHKQ8c?t=56

And he explicitly corrects the interviewer when they attempt to call them the "English Empire" instead.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Lucas brings up the American Revolutionary War (he said something about "hayseeds in coonskin hats") as a parallel to the Vietnam War, probably to smooth over the discomfort the lib interviewer has with characterizing the modern and 60's US as the evil empire. So I don't think that's a correction, more like an insistence on continuing the parallel.

Side note, that turn of phrase was a masterful way to prevent/delay the interviewer from dismissing the viet kong as "terrorists." Lucas is extremely sharp. I definitely couldn't have directed the conversation as effectively.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah he's absolutely trying to make sure there that it is explicitly understood that is the American empire not just an "evil" empire that you can swap to anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I just realized the interviewer is James Cameron, lol. Well, Cameron focused more on European imperialism in Avatar, but maybe I'm not giving him quite enough credit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't a lot of early CPV propaganda use the same American Revolution imagery in an appeal to the west?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Ho Chi Minh famously wrote a letter to Truman asking for American support in their war against the French because they were trying to do the same thing the US in their revolution. he believed the propaganda and got bitten by the reality - Truman never replied.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

he corrects the interviewer

That is James Fucking Cameron.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what he looks like lmao

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

George Lucas almost directed Apocalypse Now during the Vietnam war. John Milius wanted to film on location in South Vietnam.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wasn't that Coppola? do you mean Lucas almost got it instead?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I had to look it up but yeah, Lucas was originally supposed to direct it with Coppola producing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't Lucas also the directer who said that even soviet filmmakers had more freedom of expression than he did?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IIRC he said they had greater freedom in what they could make because they weren't pushed to produce as much profit as possible like he was, even if they needed to steer clear of censors. It makes a lot of sense, he is from the era where the soviet filmmakers were putting out some excellent films. And obv because capitalism kills art.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Georgie-boy is cooler than most people would admit

But also why is the camera constantly moving in that show? its supposed to be just an interview with the standard shots. why does the camera constantly swivel around them and why does it keep cutting to a cam thats directly behind a fuckin floodlight hypersus