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Police, in America. You clearly haven't had any real interactions with them.
From the U.S.
A lot of interactions with police, very positive overall. Biggest issue I ever have had was having to wait over a holiday weekend to get a 1st hearing before being released.
Using the ACAB terminology is a gaurenteed way to ensure racism and bad treatment are fixed at a way slower pace.
Edit: my thought process... Anyone who wants to help change or becomes a cop trying to better the system you are already classifying as a bad person. So now they are trying an up hill battle against people that don't like them bringing reform, fighting for people that don't like them and call them names when they're never met them. Eventually you imagine they give up on the reform because it's easier and the same pay, and at least the people around them start to like them.
So you acknowledge police are racist and abusers and aren't doing anything to fix it internally?
They still think the concept of a "good cop" exists lmfao. What it must be like to have such an elementary level take.
"There isn't even a single good cop in the world" is one of the most edgelord 13-year-old takes I've ever seen, and you're acting like his take is oversimplified?
Right. The way the justice system works in America, specifically as it pertains to law enforcement, is an example of an institution that is against the people in general. It was not designed to help the people but to keep the powerful in power and wealthy. It isn't about justice, but taking rights away from minorities. Any "good" cop ends up realizing that the whole institution is corrupt as fuck (as it exists in America) and quits or gets forced out for not being a corrupt piece of shit in one way or another.
Your ignorance of this is telling of how little life experience you have. Or you've just been white and suburban your entire life.
Edit: let me guess, you're friends with plenty of cops and all the cops in your (white) town are sweet as pie!
Damn, if that's their 'real' job, they're doing a terrible job of it! You're wrong, actually, I live in a major city I know a lot of Chinese and Indian people, including my wife, and an easy majority my coworkers at work are the same, including the CEO--hell, the CEOs of most major tech companies at this point...and the police haven't done shit to stop them! Hell, there's a bunch of black families that have moved right into my neighborhood--which is a pretty nice neighborhood, I might add--and they're walking around here like they have the same rights as everybody else!
Somebody really ought to remind these cops what their real job is, cuz they're failing at it pretty horribly.
White clown lmao. "Cops are fine because I don't see the bad shit they do because I'm white (but I know Indians and my wife is Chinese or some shit and one time I voted for a black person to be president)"
Edit: also somehow "Cops aren't racist because non white people are CEOs"
??? The fuck are you on lmao or was that more of a "racism doesn't exist anymore" sort of sentiment.
I think you're doing a much better job of arguing against yourself than I could.
Your argument is logically the same as saying All Lives Matter or Not All Men. Misses the point entirely.
Like so many white folks in "nice neighborhoods" you base your reality and world view around the comfortable bubble in which you live.
"The institution of policing is fine because it works out for me" is what you are telling me. Privileged as fuck and you don't even know it. Classic.
I never said such. I just believe the solution to the issues at hand aren't as elementary as you make it out to be. What we do know though, is making an enemy out of a group doesn't make them more willing to reform towards our viewpoints. It creates more Trumps, Desantis, Abbotts followers that lock down from working against the issues at hand and double down on not listening to solutions.
I said nothing about solutions to any issue at hand. The cops made an enemy out of the people first, probably right around the time the white supremacists were becoming the majority. The cops will never "reform to our viewpoints" because they exist to protect private property and the interests of the wealthy.
The fact that either you're 18 and have almost zero political perspective or you just literally have zero political perspective is showing.
Sounds like "reach across the aisle to fascists." Do you really think those people will ever "listen to solutions?" like one day DeSantis et al are just going to come around and apologize for being blatant bigoted fascists? Lmao
We don't need the ~30% of the country that sucks. Stop acting like we need them for anything. They are gone, living in their own reality.
I love how your argument is don't disagree with fascists because you'll get more fascism. Clown show.
I believe that racism is rampant throughout all of humanity and causes abuses in our police force quite often, yes. But just like using all other generalizations, I don't believe you are automatically a white, male, virgin, glasses wearing, over weight, etc just because you are on lemmy having a conversation.
If we tell ourselves all cops are such, it leaves no room to fix any of the issues. It builds hate, mistrust, and increases problems. Getting rid of the police completely isn't the solution even if we want a large reformat. No police would enter mafia/gang run very quickly, there is just to much money and not enough risk to not do so.
From one gang to another. Seems good. I'll take the gang without federal/state government backed military equipment, drones, legal and nearly impervious unionization and command of the legal system, etc etc.
Edit: almost forgot about the blank check they have to get around encrypted communications and devices etc. All legal mind you.
Well.
If it walks like a pig and talks like a pig... these stereotypes must have just bamfed into reality?
Your solution is to checks notes be polite to them? Fuck outta here with that noise. ACAB a a rallying cry has gotten traction and is finally putting pressure on those assholes to be accountable.
We've tried time and time again to reform the police, to censure them... it's never gotten better. It's horrifically worse in a lot of ways today. The police in my city have been sued by the federal government, and it's going as well as you'd expect
Growing up as a 17 year old who listened to punk rock who wanted to drink and be a shit 17 year old, I hated the police. As a 47 year old homeowner and parent, my hatred of the policy's brutality and lack of accountability is thousands of times more intense.
You white, we get it.