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At a time when Americans increasingly want pricey SUVs and trucks rather than small cars, the Mirage remains the lone new vehicle whose average sale price is under 20 grand — a figure that once marked a kind of unofficial threshold of affordability. With prices — new and used — having soared since the pandemic, $20,000 is no longer much of a starting point for a new car.

This current version of the Mirage, which reached U.S. dealerships a decade ago, sold for an average of $19,205 last month, according to data from Cox Automotive. (Though a few other new models have starting prices under $20,000, their actual purchase prices, with options and shipping, exceed that figure.)

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Americans sure love wasting money.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If love is code for being forced to by horrible corporations that can do whatever they want because we have no consumer protections at all. Yup. If you mean buying cars, we kind of have to. Public transit is a joke outside like 3-4 major cities. I remember my first job out of college, had a light rail stop within biking distance from home and one right outside the office. Looked into riding it. Near 2 hours each way, multiple transfers. 20 minute car drive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Big difference between buying a small car and buying a tank that costs twice as much and burns twice the fuel.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like you don't understand that, in addition to the transportation shortfalls from the comment above, people are also stuck buying whatever vehicle they can afford, which oftentimes are the tanks you describe, which unfortunately have the aftermarket values that fall into lower earners' price range.

Short of that, I challenge you to get a popular rapper to talk about their pimped out Prius.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I have an 02 VW Golf diesel. My coworkers are constantly asking why I don't get a new car. My TDi will still be running when I'm six feet under, I'll never give it up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is some truth to this but small cars have been selling poorly for years now. I’m sure marketing campaigns are at play here but surely some people are capable of seeing through those. Why does no one buy small, affordable, efficient cars anymore? It’s baffling to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Honestly it’s becoming increasingly hard to drive smaller cars in the sea of tank sized ones for a couple of reasons.

First, it can be really hard to see in situations where an SUV is blocking your view of the oncoming traffic or you need to pull out between two tanks. Also, I find it really difficult to drive my small car at night because I have astigmatism and the oncoming trucks and suvs are shining directly at my face the whole time. Last, even small cars with good safety ratings fair poorly in impacts with higher and heavier cars, especially if I had kids I think this would be a significant motivation to not have the smallest car on the road.

It’s an infuriating situation as someone who doesn’t want to buy a land boat just to go to the grocery store, but I don’t really think the blame can solely be placed on consumers. What we really need is to close the loopholes in emission standards for SUVs, implement a tax on heavy vehicles, and start taxing gasoline at sustainable rate. Unfortunately there isn’t much desire to do any of those things right now :(

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nope. This is all driven by the car companies. They can get higher margins on large vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also they’re barely offering sedans any more- except for high performance things

They’re all cross overs and “SUVs” and “pickups”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The fuel economy regulations are more forgiving for larger vehicles. Since the manufacturers fail at making efficient engines, they just make larger vehicles to get a passing rating. This is why small trucks no longer exist and an F150 is now the size of an elephant.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Barely offer sedans? Only if you specifically mean American manufacturers. Toyota, Nissan, Subaru and Honda all offer multiple sedan models. Claiming there aren't any sedan models out there is just pure nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've had two Mazdas in a row and loved both.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But is it? Even the few small models available aren’t selling. If this were being forced on us, the few economy models would be in high demand but it seems to be the opposite. What is going on in the American psyche? I don’t understand it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Extreme wealth inequality causes Muricans to be the most insecure people on the planet. Understand this and you'll also understand all the other stupid shit we are infamous for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately you might be right about this. It’s a difficult problem to fix.