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The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.

An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he's in isn't accommodating his vegan diet.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Welcome to the American corrections system, abuses like this and worse happen every day and we just don't normally hear about them because the defendants aren't famous like this one is

"For example, in 2019, guards force fed a Hindu man in ICE detention who went on hunger strike to protest the failure to provide vegan meals to him and other Hindus in detention."

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Its not a corrections system, it's a punishment system; unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People aren't reformed after leaving prison. Many ex-cons are forced into even worse situations and have to resort back to crimes to survive.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I don't think a system that's focussed on rehabilitation rather than punishment would be popular with American voters.

Countries that do focus on rehabilitation in western democracies, often hand out less long sentences and treat their prisoners relatively nicely. Their own cell, tv, etc. Still prison though, being robbed of your freedom is punishment in and of itself. On average that leads to better outcomes, lower recidivism, ....

But on a case by case basis, discovering someone who committed a heinous crime was let out after 10 years? Sure, often monitored, evaluated, and with stringent conditions. Sure, only if the chance they'll do it again is very low. But still. It doesn't feel right. Same thing with nice prison cells. Show the average American a Norwegian prison cell, and tell them it houses a rapist, and they'll be understandably offended. Think it isn't fair. Which it almost certainly isn't, but you don't lower the chance of repeat offending by sticking someone in a cage for ten years.

Also, I do wonder if these kinds of prisons are possible in a country without a semi-decent social safety net. If jail's better than being homeless, and homelessness is rampant, people will commit crimes just to escape. You end up rewarding criminals, because jail is comparatively nice compared to their existence outside jail.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The American political stance of "hard on crime" is why we will never see legislation reforming our prison system.

Start talking about prison reform, lowing mandatory sentences, zero tolerance, prisoner rights, and living conditions and see how hard you get attacked.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They don't have to be. That's not the point of it: the point is to punish them or permanently keep them locked away. If we wanted to guarantee they'll never hurt anyone ever again, we'd execute them and still do in some states.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

YOU DON’T SAY!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

It's funny because the little shits like him who think they are smarter and above the law, are the same people who are going to power trip on him in jail. I really hope he spends the rest of his life there, see what it's like to be shorthanded for once.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article says that he can already get vegetarian and that they’re looking into getting vegan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the fruit, veg, rice, beans, oats, grits, bread, salad, condiments, pasta, juice etc. on the menu would be vegan any way. There might some mixed with milk or butter, but most is just going to be boiled, baked or fried in oil. Plus all the stuff from the commissary.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you vastly overestimate how many foods are made without animal products. I'm not even fully vegan and I often find it hard to get food that doesn't have some kind of dead animal in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well I linked the menu. It should be clear there are plenty of options