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I found this podcast from this reddit-logo post:

I subbed today for a 7th and 8th grade teacher. I’m not exaggerating when I say at least 50% of the students were at a 2nd grade reading level. The students were to spend the class time filling out an “all about me” worksheet, what’s your name, favorite color, favorite food etc. I was asked 20 times today “what is this word?”. Movie. Excited. Trait. “How do I spell race car driver?”

I've only listened to one episode so far, but it's really well produced, seems well-researched and very well put together.

From what I gather so far, the ways that the American public school system "teaches" kids how to read is not only completely wrong, but actually saddles them bad habits which fundamentally hinder their reading comprehension.

A huge swath of American adults are functionally illiterate, and I think I'm starting to understand why.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

no no, it's even worse. read the whole word is an older idea. they're teaching kids to guess the word without even looking at it. they're taught to check if they have the word right by looking at the first couple of letters. like they're teaching kids by literally covering up the word and only showing it after they guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i can't really believe what i'm reading. i'm a teacher in the global south. i don't even teach formative years, but this feels like the Three Dimensional Chess fantasy applied to pedagogy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, it's less teaching kids how to read and more purposefully sabotaging their ability to read, based on a fantasy of teaching them to love reading. it's cult woo shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

why would you teach guesswork as though language is something inherent to the soul and oh fuck thats it isn't it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yep, it's literally based on the idea that if you put enough books in front of kids, they'll teach themselves how to read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if there is one thing that is universal about teachers is that we aren't well paid. at least in some places we are actually respected and such, but still not well paid. the one thing that keeps teachers going is that its a social profession with lots of meaning behind it. what sort of teacher looks at reading and thinks its not glamorous enough to teach it step by step as a learned skill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

teachers being sold a system that comes with preplanned material, school supplies, and lots and lots of books, that promises to teach kids to love reading. it's idealism with kickbacks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But how can they check if they don't know what the letters say? This seems like such an odd idea.
It's always good with several different ways of learning something, but this doesn't seem to be teaching the subject at all? Like it's just guesswork, and it's guesswork that still requires the ability to parse letters, which at that point just teach 'em to read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

context, syntax, and the first couple of letters. they teach them phonics but prevent them from using it to sound out words.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cutting off kids fingers so they can get past the crutch of counting using their fingers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cutting off their fingers so they can refine their motor skill by trying to write with their stubs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You are taught to use context clues or whatever word comes to your head at first thought.

You might even say it's reactionary. Imagine trying to explain something to someone but they're reading a totally different sentence, based on years of US education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wild. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thats actually how i used to read a while back. I was taugth the normal way letter by letter. But then somtime in middle school i realised i read way too slow so i started experimenting trying to get rid of vocalization wich was the biggest inefficiency. And the solution was to grasp the meaning of the word without reading it compleatly. If its some set of consonants i cant even pronounce i cant suvvocalize them can i? Until eventually i no longer needed to do that.

Granted i cant spell for shit. But its actually more efficient to read like that.

It took me over a decade of trying really hard to stop my subvocalizing. If i had been taugth like you descrive from the begining i would not have had to spend so much effort to get rid of bad reading habits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It took me over a decade of trying really hard to stop my subvocalizing.

I've never heard this term and I'm losing my mind because I'm a very slow reader and, based on what I'm seeing, more-literate people don't hear the text in their head? I literally never considered that this would be absent from reading aside from recognizing a familiar term (like the name of a store, "ambulance," whatever). God damn it . . .