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IQ is bullshit. The gifted kids were just the kids that had supportive homelives
This isn't true at all. IQ isn't some magical catch-all measure of a person's intellectual ability, but it's not entirely total quackery either.
I suspect that academic success would be very strongly correlated with having a supportive home life, but IQ not so much. Maybe the gifted kids you refer to were the academically successful ones and not the high-IQ ones?
They once had me take one of those horoscopes and one part of it was a rorschach test. How is that not quakery.
Another part was to have me write a short text wich fair enough.
fill in mulltiple choise questions that were deliveratly obtuse and ambigous.
The only part that i would expect to corrrelaete with intelligence was when i had to memorize a string of numbers and repeat it after a while. But even then this is an ability you can train.
What's funny is I got an IQ test in 5th grade and absolutely nothing you listed was in mine
Maybe you just dont remember it well because you are not very smart.
Don't know why you're trying to start shit with me but please go fuck yourself.
You are the one trying to start shit here. If you had a more nuanced response. In this case, an example would be descriving your experience. You would get a more nuanced response. See the other guy.
But im glat i touched a sore spot for you.
All I did was say I took an IQ test that didn't have any of the elements in yours. You came back calling me stupid.
Elaborate on how I started shit with you. Explain yourself. How the fuck do you envision yourself as being justified. How the fuck do you explain your perception of me starting shit with you.
I posted several patagraphs you respond with a onliner i respond with a onliner because thats what you deserve.
Aparently it really aplies to you or you wouldnt be this mad. Im guess im sorry you ferl insecure about your intelligence.
Are you even sure you're talking to the right person? At least in this thread you didn't send me multiple paragraphs.
You won't find any of those things in any reputable IQ test. I'd be surprised if you found them even in a bullshit online test.
Maybe you just had a particularly bad experience and it has given you a false impression of what an IQ test is.
Maybe yoy just dont remember it well because you are not ver smart.
IQ is bullshit in the sense that as a measurement of cognitive abilities it doesn't really work, but that doesn't mean the only factor influencing intelligence is social upbringing either
i mean, say what you will, but i could have the most supportive environment on earth and i'm pretty sure i wouldn't ever be the second coming of messi (or michael jordan for you gringos), same should go for newton, knorozov or whoever
Of course. Humans are not clones. As long as they are not there is some variance due to physiological inherited factors.
That being said a lot of intelligence can be trained.
And a lot of it is culturally loaded. Im sure the average paleolithic hunter gatherer was smarter than me because they have to constantly solve complex problems. While people today rely on civilization to take on the load.
We dont actually do t need to be that intelligent know a days. And actually very few people relly care about it. For example there is some disiese going around that has about 7% chance of leaving you mentally handicapped. And you can catch it reapeatedly. No one really cares. Because they never came to a situation were their inherent intelligence was the bottleneck to solve a problem. Once eventually everyone loses 10or 20% of their intelligence they will still be fine.
So most of these asholes going woe is me im so samart. 1-Are not really that smart. 2-inherent phisiological limitations to cognitive avility have never been an actual limitation in their lives.
The iq is bullshit in the sense the the tests are bullshit. Only the part testing working memory relates to those innate charachteristics.
Human intelligence definitely varies. People in remedial education are not there just because they have poor home lives.
Maybe on average, but you've got my ass who was put in the gifted program from 2nd grade on, with a single mom who was working two jobs and thus wasn't around much, and who couldn't afford childcare so I had to spend most of my before and after school time with my physically violent and abusive grandmother. Not that being in said program did much good (between the bad home situation and my ADHD, I was constantly in trouble at school), I didn't even finish my bachelor's in the end, but there were a few of us "smart" kids with fucked up home lives in there too.
I know lots of people that didn't grew up in a supportive environment and have a high IQ. I mean on the level of "my parents/father (it's mostly the father) never cared about me and now I have sevear depression and tried to kill myself" level. And partially they were pregnant at the age of 13/14
And I did grew up in a supportive environment and am stupid as fuck.