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Agile in it’s current implementation with excessive meetings wastes more time than the mistakes it tries to avoid.
Not an Agile issue, but a "people fucking up Agile" issue. The priesthood of MBAs will adopt whatever terms people like and just hammer them into place to keep doing the same old shit.
We tried baseball and it didn't work.
Blame management for that. I implemented Scrum in a project that I took over without any changes to the framework and it is great. We are able to keep a healthy work life balance, no overtime, good relationship between the product and the engineering team, and the most important thing is on time feature delivery.
Interesting you prioritized pointing out on time delivery as opposed to maximum value.
Hits a sore spot, I’ve delivered a lot of useless stuff on time with agile teams. We could have been useless even faster without the meetings.
Hey, the one responsible to maximize the value is the Product Owner, not the devs. We're only responsible in taking the PBIs in the backlog that's ordered based on value and delivering it. Whether it is really valuable or not is the responsibility of the Product Owner.
Is that take really that hot though?
Say it in standup with management in the room and watch the response
You're right about that though
Didn't realize that was the standard for a hot take. There's lots of universally accepted bs whose unmasking would only draw gasps at a meeting with management. And even then, the surprise would mainly be at the balls of the person saying it, not at some reality being shattered.
I have experienced this but I think that's the fault of the people implementing it.
For instance, I have been in a 4-person team where the daily meeting took 30 minutes and people often rehashed discussions they had on the previous day. I have also been on a 10-person team where the meeting took 10 minutes on a bad day
Oh totally seen it work myself but I don’t know that it was agile that worked as much as they had a kickass team.
Some teams just jive well. They communicate, they know what each other is doing, and they can plan with minimal waste. And when it’s successful that’s across all roles not just the devs.
In my opinion those teams would have succeeded in waterfall, kanban or their own home brewed strategy as well.
Oh totally seen it work myself but I don’t know that it was agile that worked as much as they had a kickass team.
Some teams just jive well. They communicate, they know what each other is doing, and they can plan with minimal waste. And when it’s successful that’s across all roles not just the devs.
In my opinion those teams would have succeeded in waterfall, kanban or their own home brewed strategy as well.