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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The best way to defend your home is to stop the bombs from falling on it. Unless you're not talking about people's homes, families, and friends, but rather talking about some arbitrary line in the sand that people should be sent to die for.

[–] GregorGizeh 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Then why oh why aren’t you applying your reasoning to Russia? They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

If it’s all just pointless bloodshed over lines on a map, why isn’t Russia staying home? All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

Why do you think Russia invaded, exactly ? they started the whole conflict after decades of making NATO encroachment along their borders a clear red line and being very clear what would happen if it was crossed

The US still kept meddling in Ukraine (and other post-soviet states), with Russia making every effort short of war to try and stop that - like offering loans just as large as the IMF loans for example, except without asking for the batshit insane austerity measures the latter did

Then the CIA backed a far-right coup there in 2014, and much of the following years were spent with NATO financing and training nazi soldiers there in preparation of trying to take back Crimea, while breaking the Minsk agreements in the meantime (I'll pass on the various atrocities and huge reframing of nazi criminals as national heroes in Ukraine there at the same period, since it's barely related, but it is worth a mention too)

Now both Ukrainian and Russian people are dying. A peace deal would stop that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder what part of this is supposed to justify Russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Lolyou think this is "indiscriminate"? Fuck, you should've zeen Fallujah or Vietnam or Korea. Ukraine has so much infrastructure and housing left in perfectly usable conditions. One of my major issues at the beginning was that I expected Russia to be much more violent and have been very surprised at how little of the violence has been on non-combatants

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Russia has definitely not engaged in total war.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I wonder that too

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

All they have to do to stop the deaths is go back

Not that Russia isn't taking casualties, but why do Ukraine supporters act like they're not the ones feeding their people into the meat grinder? Russia is dug in. You're sending children and old men into a turkey shoot.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

We're talking about the fastest ways to stop bloodshed, not Russia. Do you think that ending the war is bad?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

They started the whole conflict out of a desire to expand their arbitrary lines in the sand to include ukrainian territory.

Yeah, that's definitely what's going on here picard

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (11 children)

And that's why you supported the breakaway republics?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (60 children)

Not being dead is even better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

This is the point that's always lost on libs. They're full on blood and soil over soil and blood that isn't theirs. They can't imagine negotiationg peace so then people can stop dying.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

That's why you love landlords bootlicker