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I know this is a meme sub, but I firmly believe that the trans movement is going to either collapse or severely regress over the next few years. I think it's already starting to happen. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Being trans isn't a "movement". Being openly anti-trans is part of a reactionary political movement, though, one that can't die out fast enough.
Being trans isn't a movement in of itself, but there is a trans movement. You can deny it all you want, but it's there. Unfortunately, at least in the US, the general public is increasingly becoming more trans across all age groups and political affiliations (according to Gallup). This is reflected by the fact that there more anti-trans legislation than there was a few years ago. The reality is that the trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. Either the people with influence in the movement are focusing on the wrong things, members of the movements can't organize or don't care enough to, or the movement is being poisoned from the inside either by extremists or bad faith actors. Regardless, if people keep ignoring it, the anti-trans positions will steadily gain more ground and civil rights will regress.
Movement?
I don't know where you and the other brainlets are brigading from, but what I said is not that complicated. Being trans isn't a movement, but there's a trans movement. That movement isn't doing too hot, and the evidence is supporting that notion. Anti-trans views are spreading more and more, and if the issue is goin to continue to be ignored by people, do you know what's going to happen? Anti-trans legislation is going to find it's way into the law, and civil rights are going to regress. Idk about you, but that's not a good thing in my book.
Good job for insulting me within the first sentence.
What
What's so complicated about what I said?
Not a fad, not a trend, not a movement. There have been variations of trans people for thousands of years throughout various cultures around the globe. It's a human thing. The only thing you see happening is growing awareness, growing acceptance, and growing self-discoveries. It's not going away. You can bitch and whine about people being different if you want, but I think bowling might be a more interesting hobby though. Try bowling instead of transphobia. Yes, calling it a movement is transphobic, no, that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, it just makes you ignorant, and given the confidence of your predictions, stupid and arrogant.
They straight up said they hope they're wrong. I think what they mean is more they expect us to lose our civil rights movement, or at least backslide in the near future. Which....i wish i disagreed
You either read what I said wrong or you're too busy trying to find something to get mad over.
You're gunna have to elaborate on that one.
I think you'd be disappointed if they did.
Refer them to Figure 1 lol
It's simple, anti-trans views are on the rise among all age groups and political affiliations, at least in the US (according to Gallup). This isn't randos on the internet, that's the general public. Movements need the support of the general public to advance their cause. What's happening is that the anti-trans movement is what's growing. They're organizing, passing legislation, creating campaigns, and so on. Looking at the trends, they're winning. The boycotts that happened to Budlight and Target are not a coincidence. The trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. The people with influence in the movement are either grifting or focusing on the wrong things, members of the movement are not holding their leaders accountable and they're not organizing, and the movement is fracturing due to extremism poisoning it on the inside. In an ideal world, the trans movement would find a way to head back in the right direction and continue to advance civil rights for trans people... but I don't see that happening because a lot of people who support the trans movement either don't care enough to do something or they're too busy focusing on pointless things.
Why? (Not saying I agree or disagree; I just want to understand your perspective.)
I basically wrote the same thing for like 5 comments already, so I'll just copy and paste one of them again.
It’s simple, anti-trans views are on the rise among all age groups and political affiliations, at least in the US (according to Gallup). This isn’t randos on the internet, that’s the general public. Movements need the support of the general public to advance their cause. What’s happening is that the anti-trans movement is what’s growing. They’re organizing, passing legislation, creating campaigns, and so on. Looking at the trends, they’re winning. The boycotts that happened to Budlight and Target are not a coincidence. The trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. The people with influence in the movement are either grifting or focusing on the wrong things, members of the movement are not holding their leaders accountable and they’re not organizing, and the movement is fracturing due to extremism poisoning it on the inside. In an ideal world, the trans movement would find a way to head back in the right direction and continue to advance civil rights for trans people… but I don’t see that happening because a lot of people who support the trans movement either don’t care enough to do something or they’re too busy focusing on pointless things.