this post was submitted on 27 Sep 2023

274 points (97.2% liked)

News

23310 readers

3548 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

274

Scathing court ruling on Donald Trump’s empire is a bitter blow to his successful tycoon persona (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

46 comments fedilink hide all child comments

For years Donald Trump was the host of The Apprentice, a reality TV show in which contestants vied for a management job within his organisation and he would deliver the verdict: “You’re fired!”

It cemented the image of Trump as an assertive chief executive who had conquered New York, an image that still proves seductive to millions of voters who want him to run America like a business. But like much else about the 45th US president, it was all a lie.

On Tuesday a judge found that Trump’s business empire was built, at least in part, on rampant fraud. Justice Arthur Engoron of the New York state court in Manhattan said Trump and his adult sons wildly inflated the value of his properties to hoodwink banks, insurers and others.

…

The decision will make it easier for state attorney general Letitia James to establish damages at a civil trial due to start next week; she is seeking a penalty of about $250m. Engoron ordered the cancellation of certificates that let some of Trump’s businesses, including the Trump Organization, operate in New York – just possibly the beginning of the end of his empire.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would he raise more than he raised after the election over this court case?

Over more time and by playing the persecuted martyr. Do try to keep up.

$1.2 billion on top of all of his expenses

Him being a bad enough businessman to lose that much even while cheating had nothing to do with the case or our discussion about the outcome of it. Please don't move the goalposts.

So basically, you're claiming that this won't hurt him at all

No, I'm saying it won't hurt him much in the long run. There's a difference.

billions of dollars

Again, leave those goalposts alone.

Well, I guess the Trump business should be allowed to continue to operate in New York since this doesn't matter

Nobody's said that. Don't start with the strawmen.

Not sure why they even had a civil case in the first place.

You're sorta right: should have been a criminal case in the first place since it was a case about him committing criminal fraud crime, which is not a civil matter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You absolutely are suggesting that. You're saying this won't hurt him. You're saying he will definitely raise $1.2 billion on top of all of his expenses now that the Trump business is effectively dissolved. So that means there was absolutely no point in dissolving it. Why dissolve it if it does nothing?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're saying this won't hurt him

I absolutely am not. I'm saying that this won't hurt him MUCH compared to all the shit he's been pulling.

You're saying he will definitely raise $1.2 billion on top of all of his expenses now that the Trump business is effectively dissolved

I've said nothing of the kind. You're the one who decided to move the goalposts by bringing up the completely irrelevant 1.2b

So that means there was absolutely no point in dissolving it. Why dissolve it if it does nothing?

Again, not what I'm saying. Do you know how to read, understand and remember words? Because you're sure as fuck not acting like it! 🤦

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, if you're going to start hurling insults, this conversation is over. I'm not interested in a Reddit-style flame war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And I'm not interested in repeatedly defending against a wholly fictional version of what I've said and moved goalposts, so stopping is fine by me. Have the day you deserve.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Have the day you deserve?" Wow. Yeah, that was warranted over an internet argument. I don't wish you "have the day you deserve." Whatever people who insult over the internet when they wouldn't do that if they were in the same room with that person deserve. I wish you have a good day. Because I don't want people to have bad days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well you've made my day worse with your strawmen and your goalpost moving and your stubborn condescension, so why should I wish for yours to be good?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I made your day worse? Seriously? This is the internet. Why are you letting a silly argument about Trump affect your day?

And you should wish for everyone's day to be good even if yours isn't because that's called being a compassionate person.

I still hope you have a good day.