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Is for you fascism and nazism / hitlerism the same? And similar to settler colonialism? Israel's genocidal settler colonialism is not Nazism. It isn't Hitlerism either. Though Ukraine's military political complex is filled with Fascists and (Neo-)Nazis.
Splitting hairs about fascism is a good use of everyone's time
Marx famously was known for not being pedantic about use of terms and phrases.
Israel can't have Hitlerism, though Fascist thoughts and elements of Ethnonationalist support are not a rare thing. Being more or less clear with terms matters as it is a necessary differentiating element for material conditions and intersectional pressures that happen. Antifascism that we do for decades also means to not equate Nazism with things that aren't Nazism.
It is a problem when Israel and Nazi Germany are equated. It is also antisemitic and this community tries to be both (un)critically supportive of liberation fights (by less than progressive forces instead of only ideal Marxists) in Palestine and the Levant and not to ignore antisemitism.
I do really did the outdated voice recording of Lenin in regards to Anti Jewish pogroms. Lenin's real voice reading the speech
yeah sure, ok
don't you think it deserves inspection if it's done in good faith?
I think if there is a difference it doesn't serve us to be imprecise, as it gives room for libs to wriggle out of it. I think it is pretty bad optics and needless edgelording to label Israel as Nazi when it could be labelled as a fascist ethnostate very reasonably. Jew hating is a huge part of Nazi thought. Clearly it is not a part of Israel's.
I don't have the answer to the question. Maybe I'm susceptible to jargon but I'm not seeing anyone actually countering them.
Call it fascism and move on.
The only significant difference between Nazism and settler colonialism is that the murderous colonizers have to travel a longer distance before starting the murder.
Funny but incorrect quip. The German imperial project ended in the genocide against Ovaherero and Nama, with the aim to exterminate them completely. The Jewish genocide in the "Occupied Territories" is aimed not at physical extermination of all the people in Gaza. In any case the actions and deeds really don't have to be compared in terms of "significance" (as moralistic judging term). They can and ought to be understood in themselves and the similarities in practices can be looked at. Equating the actions of Israel and Nazi Germany is diminishing the holocaust. You can critique the state without doing that.
The material base and the white supremacist super structure in terms of the German or South African project are much different to the Israeli one if you look at before 1945, or between then and the 1973 war. However I would wish for as principled stances against the USA and that is sorely lacking.
Yeah im not gonna debate this ur right or whatever
You’re right, it’s not specifically Nazism. Japanese fascists and Italian fascists were not Nazis just because they were allies. They were their own brand of fascists. Israel likely does not approve of Ukraine’s nazism, but they also don’t care enough to condemn them unless Ukraine does something really stupid like defend Bandera’s role in the massacre of Jews, which has been done several times. They are all fascists who disagree with things that don’t really matter to their goals.