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To be honest we don't have a real name for them. They say they support the tenets of national socialism, deride capitalism, engage in liberalism, and hate the working class.
Call them what you will. Nazi, neo-nazi, neo-neo-nazi, neo-bolshevik, I don't know. In any case it's all different flavours of fascism.
"Tankies" that's the word for Nazis with a Russian coat of paint.
Edit: Lmao the downvotes. I just gave an objective description of the term OP is looking for. I'm a hardcore socialist myself and if you feel like the term "Tankie" is insulting you, then MAYBE you have an issue.
Tankie originally meant people who supported the Soviet Union's military action in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
I hesitate to call them tankies because they don't follow the same ideals. These people deride 'the libs' but engage in liberalism, calling themselves lgbtq friendly, then they call themselves communist but engage in materialism, they call themselves socialist but agree with authoritarianism.
I don't know what to call them besides fascist, but fascist is so non-specific when dealing with these groups that it doesn't help for identification. We actually need a new name for this group of fascists.
Tankies don't have ideals, they're just red fascists. It's all an aesthetic.
Fascists gonna fasc.
They're CCP or maybe Kremlin operatives organizing shills, LLMs, and useful idiots to spread propaganda.
That's why it's hard to say what they are. They aren't actually socialists, they're happy to support both extremes in order to increase division in their group opponents.
Won't see any disagreement there, but those useful idiots still cling to the ideology.
Ignorance and cognitive dissonance, name a more iconic duo.
I’ve never seen a grad say they support the tenets of national socialism or that they hate the working class. Can you show me?
No, they've been defederated.
Based
yall must have strong defederation if you can't even go to the grad website and see their posts.
Lemmy.world's admin just came to my house and blocked lemmygrad on my router.
Muttered something about how this is gonna be a long day.
Based admins, I'll leave my door open
surely you take the accusation of nazism seriously enough to go to a website you don't like to show proof!
do you expect me to take you at your word that the people who explicitly forbid nazis and a bunch of other right wing kooks and have a modlog filled with bans and post and comment removals for violating those rules are nazis?
Surely you are capable of shedding your own ignorance without being handheld. You know where to find what you're looking for, library's open.
i don't know where to find it though. the things youre claiming don't show up in a search of the grad site. ill admit that just relying on the same text search every lemmy instance has for the words youre using isn't all encompassing, so if you can actually show me what youre claiming please do!
i'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but its hard when i ask to see the receipts and get the runaround.
Well you shouldn't trust my sources, they might be biased. Better to do your own research.
but i started this chain of comments with my own research and a request to see yours!
it can't be youre just making up accusations and replying in circles to troll me!
But I can't access my research and I'm at the same mercy as you in relocating them, so unfortunately I won't be using my time to find it for you just because you insist on playing this willfully disingenuous dance of linguistic belligerence. But good luck to you and your friends.
Also because they don't.
I am not a fan of lemmygrad or hexbear but they certainly do not advocate for national socialism.
I've had enough bouts with them. They don't believe people can be racist against white people, so any slurs or derogatory insults are totally okay. They also hate social Democrats - call them colonialists. That they want all the benefits of socialism without having to give up any of their illgotten gains.
Soooo, they just expect people to fully make the jump over to pure socialism/communism, no expectations of gradual change, and think hating on whitey is totes cool.
Their most vocal are essentially hindering the growth the greater collective with this bullshit, and if they ever want to see change in their lifetimes, then need to be realistic about it.