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Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have any examples?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

!world

From the sidebar:

While not required, consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link.

Then you find a top post removed with the reason of mediabiasfactcheck, for a source with no fact check fails and a slight "center right" orientation.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

Meaning: no rules.

Not sure who redacted that, but it allows any arbitrary decision.

!politicalmemes

From the sidebar, rule 2:

No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

A lot of comments removed with a reason of "rule 2", even when including multiple links to support the claims made. After I got one of those, I tried replying to some comments by providing sources for the claims they made, while citing the rule. My comments were left alone, the parent comments got deleted for reason "rule 2". At no point any mod actually asked to provide sources, clearly didn't check the ones provided.

Personally, I've left (blocked) that whole community.

I get mod overload, I get different communities with different rules, but these handwavy approaches that allow misapplication of one's own rules, don't lead to anything good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Then you find a top post removed with the reason of mediabiasfactcheck, for a source with no fact check fails and a slight "center right" orientation.

If I look through the modlog, I don't see the particular post you mention, could you maybe elaborate on which post you mean?

Meaning: no rules. Not sure who redacted that, but it allows any arbitrary decision.

I disagree with the statements that that means "No rules", it just means that sometimes a technical rule violation doesn't warrant a removal of a post. There is no world in which rules are perfectly complete for every edge case and no "arbitrary" decision ever need to be made.

A lot of comments removed with a reason of "rule 2", even when including multiple links to support the claims made. After I got one of those, I tried replying to some comments by providing sources for the claims they made, while citing the rule. My comments were left alone, the parent comments got deleted for reason "rule 2". At no point any mod actually asked to provide sources, clearly didn't check the ones provided.

I'm actually a mod for politicalMemes. If I look through the modlog, I don't see many instances of comments / posts being removed for rule 2. So could you please specify which removals you are referring to?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I look through the modlog, I don't see the particular post you mention

Yeah... I've been looking through the modlog, and can't find neither that, nor the politicalmemes ones. I think it was about a week or two ago, so it's not easy to parse (or maybe I'm doing it wrong).

just means that sometimes a technical rule violation doesn't warrant a removal of a post

If it's supposed to mean that, why not just write that? Or, instead of "rules", maybe call it "guidelines", if they're supposed to be interpreted on a case by case basis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think it is pretty clear that the case-by-case statement means that there is some flexibility in the rules. But I will consult with the other moderators of politicalMemes to see if they think changing is necessary.