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Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket was responsible.

He said the Israeli military would soon publish the radar info, footage and a recording of militants in Gaza assigning blame to Islamic Jihad, a group aligned with Hamas. All the information, Hagari said, would be given to President Biden as part of a "full briefing" when the U.S. leader arrives in Israel Wednesday.

Palestinian Ambassador to the U.N. Riyad Mansour accused Israel of carrying out the strike, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar for blaming the strike on the armed group Islamic Jihad. “Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a press conference at the U.N. headquarters.

Edit: From the IDF’s official Telegram Channel

Post 1:

IDF: A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City

Attached is a video from the IAF system that captured the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization: https://bit.ly/3M5oQMI

Post 2:

IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:

Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362

Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854

Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672

Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

Post 3:

Following the recording that was sent out, attached is a transcript of the conversation between Hamas operatives: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC181020238465

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would like to see this evidence. The flipping of stories from Israeli spokespeople right after the event to now is bizarre. There were a number of people, even initial US government responses, saying that the hospital was a Hamas hideout, so Israel blew it up on purpose and it's a good thing.

Also, why do they just so happen to have audio recordings of this specific terrorist group talking about this event in particular within an hour or so after the event? Is that a likely thing for them to have acquired?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If you don’t trust the Israeli government, the whole thing was live-streamed. https://nitter.net/COUPSURE/status/1714380403782324249

That footage was subsequently rebroadcast on Al-Jazeera.

There’s a number of other angles you can find on the birdsite too.

And yes, if someone was talking about it on a radio, I’d expect Israeli sigint to pick it up. This is not their first rodeo. They’ve been the occupying power in Gaza for 56 years. That’s what made the Hamas massacre so shocking: how on earth did they miss the planning for two years.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the video where the timestamp doesn't match up with the hospital event. It's 30-ish minutes off for some confusing reason.

Not to be confused with the other video being used for a while on official Israeli government accounts that got deleted when people figured out it was from 2022.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Speaking from my own experience running local cameras, timestamps aren’t always accurate due to admin misconfig or admin laziness

But if we’re going to say that’s not the right footage, why is Al-Jazeera broadcasting it? To me, it doesn’t seem to square with their narrative, so why show it to their viewers at all?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

It was just a livestream on Al Jazeera. It was running constantly. Hence why timestamps being off doesn't make much sense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You really think shrapnel from a already disabled rocket could cause such a large explosion? Palestinians do not have western high explosives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you really think an Israeli bomb doesn’t leave a crater? The impact was on a parking lot. It’s still a missile and gasoline still burns. Not that hard to believe

Edit: here is the aftermath from Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/18/gazas-ahli-arab-hospital-after-the-attack-that-killed-at-least-500-people

And footage from Gazans on the ground. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714535687070916987/

Hospital is still standing btw…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That is a very tiny hospital. I can't imagine it fitting more than 150 people in it, tops.