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There have been five wars fought between Israel and its neighbors in the last fifteen years. Over that time, and before, there have been thousands of diplomats from around the world working on a variety of plans to bring peace and stability to the region, and hundreds of conferences. They have all failed.

Today, the situation in the area is more horrific, more brutal, more inhumane, and more dangerous than ever before. I wish I could tell you that I had some magic solution, or five-point plan to resolve this never-ending crisis. I don’t. But this I do know.

The barbarous terrorist act committed by Hamas against innocent men, women, and children in Israel was a horrific act that must be strongly condemned by the entire world. There is absolutely no justification for shooting down hundreds of young people at a music festival, killing babies in cold blood and taking hostages. In my view, the state of Israel has the absolute right to defend itself against Hamas' terrorism.

It is also clear that this attack will only embolden the extremists on both sides who see violence as the only answer. It also creates the immediate possibility of a wider war in the area with unforeseen and dangerous consequences.

But in the midst of the terrorism, the missiles and bombs being exploded daily, and a hospital in Gaza being destroyed, there is another humanitarian disaster that is unfolding. Today, as a result of an Israeli evacuation order, hundreds of thousands of innocent and desperate people in Gaza are facing inhumane and life-threatening conditions. These are people who have been driven from their homes, who have no food, water, or fuel, who don’t know where they are going or who will accept them or if they will ever again return to their homes. And I would remind you that half of those people are children.

Last night, on the floor of the Senate, I blocked an effort on the part of some Republicans to prevent desperately needed humanitarian aid from the United Nations and other relief agencies from getting to these Palestinians.

In these very difficult times, we cannot turn our backs on these innocent men, women and children who are desperately trying to survive. That is not what this country must ever be about.

I hope you'll watch and share it today:

https://x.com/sensanders/status/1714806126863143292?s=46&t=VjJ-cjQEBBD1s8bwm18Jyw

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fucking Judas goat. Fuck Bernie soooooo hard. I don't care if he has a good take once a decade. Fuck him. He sold his soul a long time ago

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could you maybe pick a different comparison that isn’t an antisemitic trope?

I’m assuming good faith and that you’re unaware of how frequently Judas is used as shorthand for evil Jew. And with goat, I don’t know if you’re making a reference to the trope of Jews hiding horns under their kipot or saying he’s the greatest betrayer of all time.

On Real Housewives of Salt Lake City this week, someone accidentally made a pretty good substitution and confused Judas with Brutus. A literal backstabber might be a more apt comparison.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I get where you're coming from, but it's just what they're called. It's the goat that leads all the other goats to slaughter in a slaughterhouse. I chose the words because he took a whole lot of millennials for a ride and then sold us out. Twice.

I'll just call him a backstabber.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the explanation, I had not heard the term Judas goat before. I didn’t realize it was a contiguous expression.

Goats are used a lot in demonic imagery, so I just wasn’t sure if that was a part of it, but assumed since you’re a Hexbear user that it was more likely to be goat = greatest of all time.

I think the term Judas goat is probably one of those terms like hysterical or being gypped that a lot of people don’t realize has a hateful origin because it’s a cultural norm around them. And then it just sounds wild to someone who’s never heard the term and instantly hears the dog whistle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree after you pointed it out. I come from a Christian background, so my immediate association is "the guy who sold out Jesus". I'm sure to some degree, there is some sort of hate attached to the term I used just because most things that are that old tend to have dicey origins. I really try to make sure I'm not using words that have bad origins like "hysterical" because there are plenty of other words that get the same meaning across

I'm too old for "goat" to mean "greatest of all time" haha but I do know that's a thing.

I'm going to leave the post up just because I think this conversation went well, and might be of value overall. If mods don't approve, I'll go without a fight and they can remove the post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That makes sense, and I replied to your original comment instead of reporting it because I think we have the kind of community where people wouldn’t say something offensive intentionally. So not sure if it will get any mod attention to begin with.

I appreciate your responses a lot. heart-sickle

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We love our community and our mods, don't we folks?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I post and mod a little sub called Judaism and I just wanted to appreciate the good-faith discussion you had about a trope.