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This article contains descriptions of violence which some readers may find distressing.

The Israeli military held a screening for journalists on Monday of raw footage recovered from Hamas body cameras, in an effort to remind the world of the brutality of the attack on Israel two weeks ago.

The bodycam footage, cut together with clips from CCTV, dashboard cameras and the mobile phones of both Hamas gunmen and victims, showed in stark detail the sheer horror visited on a music festival and family neighbourhoods in southern Israel.

The Israeli military also released documents which they said were recovered from dead Hamas members, containing detailed operational planning and instructions for attacking the neighbourhoods and taking hostages.

The 43 minutes of footage screened in Tel Aviv on Monday was distilled from hundreds of hours of footage collected since the attack, the Israeli military said. It contained clips of Hamas gunmen cheering with apparent joy as they shot civilians on the road, and later stalking the pathways of kibbutzim and killing parents and children in their homes.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

First. Whatabout the 5000 deaths in Gaza?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Comment was reported for daring to quote the 5,000 number which is a documented fact:

https://dppa.un.org/en/israel-palestine-gaza-death-toll-passes-5000-with-no-ceasefire-sight

Comment remains. Don't like that number? Take it up with the U.N.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know you're citing the United Nations as an authority, and providing a link is definitely welcome, but the site you're linking literally says

The number of people killed in Gaza has reached 5,087 according to latest reports from de facto authorities there

thereby acknowledging that even the UN is merely repeating the numbers that Hamas is giving them.

Could we maybe agree that blindly accepting whatever Hamas is saying as truth is not the best policy?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the number is good enough for the U.N., it's good enough for me. I'm in no position to "Um, aCKtUaLly..." the United Nations. ;)

If they felt it was wrong or biased they wouldn't cite it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They themselves imply the number is likely to be biased (the defacto authority is hardly going to be impartial), but I agree, it isn't your job to second guess the numbers being used by the UN.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And the numbers were not biased in the end. Shock?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You mean we should believe the numbers when the IDF is reporting them?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, I mean you were wrong 😊 let me know when you need more reading comprehension help

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because the IDF reported those numbers, and if the IDF reports those numbers, that means you were right?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, because the numbers were always right, because the UN and Gazan medical health centers and hospitals are reliable and have always been.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The numbers were reported by Hamas. The UN merely used those numbers.

Tell me why we should put blind faith into anything published by Hamas?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because the numbers have been vetted and counted by the UN before the war many times. Because Gaza ha(d) a good enough medical standard and was trusted by medical organizations all over the world. The only people not believing the Gazan ministry is YOU, Israel, and the US. Whst a coincidence that no one else had any reason to doubt this number... Only genocide deniers do.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can only interpret the information we’re given. To dismiss it is naive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To take it for granted, given the source, is more naïve.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

I’m sure the UN 🇺🇳 will take your comment into consideration.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The number of people killed in Gaza has reached 5,087 according to latest reports from de facto authorities there

By de facto authorities they mean Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Appeal to authority

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Nope, that's second.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about them? Would any of them occur, if the 7th October attack never happened? Doubt.