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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In fairness, Arnold Schwarzenegger already has political experience as governor of California. He'd be the most qualified celebrity for the Whitehouse if he was a naturally born citizen.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reagan was an actor, and he was instrumental in the process of fucking up our society to the degree that it is now. He spearheaded deregulation. One of the direct outcomes of that is the rampant increase of wealth inequality, as well as the now-“normal” boom/bust economic economic cycle that started with Black Monday in 1987 and has been getting markedly worse with each crash.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was not because he was an actor. That was because Reagan was stupid enough to listen to the wrong people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP's point is that there is a correlation between celebrity presidents and terrible decisions affecting the nation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The sample size is 2, and both of them were terrible people before they got into politics.

Reagan was an authoritarian bootlicker who helped out communists as the President of SAG, he was already a fascist and was voted in because he was a fascist that was good at public speaking.

Not even gonna get into how shitty of a human being Trump was before being president, except to point out he was the biggest voice accusing Obama of faking his birth certificate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct. Third's a charm? Fuck no. No more chances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or you know, don't vote for terrible people instead of basing it on what their job was? Just an idea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We aren't disagreeing. Celebrities are my exception.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the point is that Schwarzenegger, unlike Reagan, has political experience. He has proven himself not to be as much as a puppet as Reagan was, at least.

That said, good thing he can't run.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reagan was also Governor of California before he became president.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All I really remember from The Governators time was how many parks got built.

It was actually kind of ridiculous because the signs went up into all kinds of places I had been using for hiking for years, dirt lots or unmanaged areas that connected to wilderness. Then bam, sign goes up with a big green ✅ and Swartzennegers name. No park at first just the signs. And a shit ton of them. Like a ridiculous number. It took time from there but they were all eventually turned into parks and green spaces.

He gets a lot of shit because he is an over the top character, but California has done far worse. Newsom is worse. Davis did less.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually think he'd do a great job. I just don't think it's likely to happen due to the constitutional requirements, which would never be changed in a normal political environment, much less in this one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Let's remember that a lot of people think of Trump doing a great job.

Never again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean he was kinda milquetoast, but also, California is like, fucking impossible to manage. I don't think people realize how strange and departed interests are in Sacramento. It's a clusterfuck because California is so variable in its territory, people, and ideologies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've appreciated his efforts to use his platform to try to be a voice of reason to other Republicans in recent years. He's flawed, but he's a legit role model with a head on his shoulders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I've never really understood his fascination with Repubs. He doesn't carry their idealogy. It's kinda weird. He's like a baby swan who the first politician he saw was a Republican and so he's a Republican. He even says as much in some interview.

[–] possiblylinux127 -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand economics. The economy naturally booms and crashes since the dawn of time.

The key is to slow down the boom and speed up the crash so we don't end up with the economy totally crashing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am familiar with Keynesian economics. I am not suggesting that regulations fully prevent crashes, either then or now.

What I am saying is that removing the guardrails so you can cut corners even more aggressively in the interest of profit works great until you crash in a way that the guardrails would have made the crash suck a lot less.

[–] possiblylinux127 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with "Keynesian economics". However I do think cutting corners is something that is common with many industries. It isn't because of profit but is more related to the desire not to go out of business. Competition is normally a good thing as it drives down prices while increasing options for customers. The fix to this is to bad behavior with fines or outright bans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lmao you fucking muppet it’s the foundational ideology to what you’re trying to express. The fact that you freely admitted that you haven’t heard of it is an implicit admission of complete ignorance on the topic you’re attempting to push. Kindly cease attempting to misinform people.

[–] possiblylinux127 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have never heard of "Keynesian economics" until today and I haven't seem any paper, journals or other such media to back your claims. I'm not a professional economist but it seems like you are just following someone or something blindly.

So before you get mad you should look to draw your own conclusions and be familiar with what you are arguing. I my intention wasn't to provoke you. Lemmy is full people stating options and half truths as absolute facts. I'm not guilt free but at least I'm willing to admit my arrogance. Try not to be a gate keeper

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think you understand economics

And then later

Try not to be a gatekeeper

Lol no. I’m not gonna let you just pretend you came out of the gates with a diplomatic tone.

You’re arguing in bad faith. I called you on it, and your response indicates you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Except that was the same thing that gave us Reagan. He was an actor. Then governor of California. Then president. We are still paying for all his bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most qualified doesn't mean the best qualified, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Can't disagree with that!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Natural born is a common misconception. Naturalized is sufficient - he can be president if he wants. 14th amendment clarifies this point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could you quote the part where it says they can become president?
All I can find is that they become citizens:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution explicitly states:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I understand, this is based on settled case law, Schneider vs Rusk, where it was decided that preventing natural born citizens from holding office such as president violates due process. As you quoted above, “All citizens naturalized…are citizens”.

This is the lynchpin to progressive candidate Cenk Uygur’s bid for presidency in 2024. He expects this case law to be challenged and decided in the Supreme Court, and anticipates a victory there for himself and the 25million-some other naturalized citizens who wish to enjoy the due process they’ve earned.

Personally, I think he’s right that Biden is a fool for ignoring the current 10-15 point deficit in the polls vs trump. Biden needs to get out of the way for literally any other dem to come in and sweep the election, and hopefully this will be how it happens!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TY, that's really interesting.

So, of I understand correctly, it's not exactly codified law.
Even if the supreme court upholds that ruling, they could overturn it in the future?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Court cases rule and set precedent based on interpretation of existing laws…in this case how the 14th amendment applies/changes section 1.5 from Article II about who can hold office as president.

Supreme Court is usually expected to uphold this type of precedent by default, but as the highest court in the land, they can overturn it if/when Cenk’s case makes it to them.

If they do uphold it, a later supreme court could reinterpret the existing law and overturn this ruling as a result. This was the case with Roe. Congress could codify this interpretation into law by amending the constitution with something even more clear than the 14th amendment, like “naturalized citizens can hold office of presidency.”

To me the 14th seems pretty clear in its intent already, and I think the prior ruling clearly should stand…you’d have to have some wildly politically active judges to misinterpret something like that. Oh wait..!😅 so we shall see.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, no more septuagenarians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Celebtuagenarians