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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I absolutely agree that they can (looking only at military capability) wipe the floor with Palestine with indiscriminate bombardment in a few days.

But saying that not using that ability means they do enough to avoid civilian casualties is a pretty big jump in logic.

Military ability isn't everything, geopolitics and market dependance exist. if they actually did that immediately, the response from international community wouldn't be as mild as it's now. So they actually can't.

What I am saying is that there's a full gradient of effort when it comes to avoiding or encouraging civilian casualties (and not giving a damn about them is in the middle).

The voices of Israeli ruling politicians before and after the start of this year's conflict doesn't exactly inspire a confidence that enough is being done to prevent them. Some used strategies even increase them unnecessarily with doubtful military gains.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or perhaps people should consider that Hamas is using casualties among Palestinians to win the war against Israel. Because right now it seems like it is working pretty well.

Additionally, Gaza has 5855 people per square kilometre. I don't know if people even realise this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So bombing the shit out of the place is ok? Deaths are ok?

These people are in a pressure cooker, so increase the pressure, push them south and bomb the evac routes, don't let fuel into hospitals or enough food in to Gaza.

Hamas are assholes, but when you start to justify civilian deaths, you're no longer the good guy, yourself. They killed x, so we kill y.

This is looking increasingly like an annexation (especially of the north). Hamas aren't in the West Bank, it's run by Fatah, but Israel still rules it with an iron fist and keeps popping up more settlements. Moral actions under international law isn't something that concerns them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Where did I say that? I am not for Israel bombing Gaza. But the way how people argument for Gaza and the way the seem to ignore the problems connected to Hamas and Palestine in general is dangerous, in my opinion.

Hamas aren't just "assholes". This kind of rhetoric is horrific.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago

Are you aware of this history?

https://lemm.ee/comment/5396325

Israel is responsible for what Hamas became... You kill a one guy, and they replace with worse...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But saying that not using that ability means they do enough to avoid civilian casualties is a pretty big jump in logic

The word "enough" is not found anywhere in my posts, because I think they could, an should, do more.

"It isn't genocide" and "civilian casualties are a tragic feature of every war" are not blanket support of the status quo.

I believe Israel believes they have done everything possible. They are undeniably going above and beyond to act with restraint. I still believe they could do more, especially by putting up a military hard point in the south for aid. I think this would be costly, and dangerous, but is both morally correct and something that would help pave the way for instilling peace after this war.