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‘Pure greed:’ Etiquette expert explains why tipping has gotten out of control
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How can the US actually end tipping culture? I cannot fathom a way forward that doesn't fuck over a lot of people in the short-term. Ideas?
It's the waiters who are pushing back on this. I know restaurant owners enjoy this situation, but even when they try to change it, waiters would require quite oversized paychecks to make up for this lack of tips. At a very nice restaurant near me, before covid, waiters typically were making $100k. This is not the norm for most restaurants, but even now I talk to waiters making $60-$70k. A lot of those tips are unreported so untaxed. This is unskilled labor (I'm not knocking it... I've been a waiter before and it's tough work!), and if restaurants had to pay these wages I don't know how high the food costs would have to be.
If you set the minimum wage to, say, $20 per hour but no tips allowed, you would likely have a lot of waiters leave the profession.
Though I guess others would take their place and, since that's still a decent wage, things would level out eventually.
Waiters leave > shortage of waiters > wages rise to attract waiters > something something invisible hand > everybody wins
If the employee is making that much then that amount is already added onto the price of the meal - whether it's officially or unofficially. Setting a real wage would just ensure that people get a consistent wage.
Op mentioned this is currently untaxed. I can't comment on where that's valid as I'm not from the us, but the tax part of that going into the government coffins instead of the waiter's pocket could make a large difference. Not a good reason not to do as I believe everyone should pay taxes, but that would explain while some waiters would be against it
I haven't worked in a restaurant in a while but as I remember it: A waiter/waitress is expected to report tips at 8% of the value of the checks they serve - the government assumes they get tips up to that amount. So they have to report tips, but they try to stick juuuust over that 8%. If the customer puts the tip on the credit card, then it's reported. if it's a cash tip, it only gets reported if it's needed to get up to that 8%. Everything else the IRS doesn't hear about. Waitresses at my restaurant would claim their tips at the end of a shift so it was a daily calculation.
That said, wait staff got $2.14/hr and the restaurant was responsible for making up the difference to minimum wage if there wasn't enough business. That never happened. Also, this info is about 30 years old and in Florida, so your mileage may vary. Some wait staff make crazy tips (depending on venue) and if they have to claim it, they pay a little more in tax but if they lose tips altogether they lose most of their income.
I wonder if untaxed tips are still significant factor now that electronic payment is so popular.
Untaxed =/= taxfree. The waiters should report it as income, failure to do so is tax evasion.
So if the system is beneficial to them thanks to opening easy avenues to fraud, then it should be addressed right away.
Makes sense. The issue is that many service workers are making well above minimum wage via tipping, and they're supporting their families off it. I guess raise universal minimum wage alongside tipping ban?
This is a problem as well. I read at Casa Bonita they eliminated tipping and started paying the staff $30/h. And some of the staff are mad about it, which I kinda get but it’s a feast or famine type deal. Some days you really make a ton on tipping, and some days you get left a fake $100 from some evangelical asshole. I’d rather count on a guaranteed wage than a maybe. Full disclosure though, I’ve never worked in a tipping profession so I may be missing some things.
Why would it? That's not what's being suggested at all.
Well the most obvious reason is that tipping culture is robbing workers who it's supposed to help.
In my state, "tipped" positions' minimum wage is 2.12/hr. Despite the fact that tipping isn't guaranteed or mandatory. There are other "tipped" positions than waiters. How often do you tip the car hop at sonic that brings you your drink? They often make less than minimum wage. The dude making your sandwich at subway? Yeah, they deduct that guy's tips from his hourly.
Tell me why we shouldn't end a system that exploits the culture to get away with paying out poverty wages?
The biggest opponents of ending tipping are the bartenders and servers. There aren't many other jobs where they can make hundreds of dollars in a few hours on a busy night, and they would not give up that even when offered $30 an hour
I don't doubt that, and it would be fine if it were just servers. Now that tipping culture has spread, it's actively hurting people who the population at large doesn't feel like they should have to tip
Your understanding of minimum wage is incorrect - under the FLSA, if an employees tips do not bring their wages up to minimum, the employer must make up the difference. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped/2020
Still horseshit though. If you can't pay employees a fair wage, you don't deserve to be in business, and it shouldn't be on the customer to subsidize your employees' shitty pay rate.
I realize that. The idea is that these employees make minimum wage no matter what you tip them. The only tipped position that routinely breaks that is a restaurant server.