The logic follows that the people who should be doing something are the ones that we elect. While it's true that they aren't doing anything either, the shit won't really hit the fan until a republican gets the white house and actually starts abusing that power.

We still have time to resolve this without bloodshed and destruction. Most people see that and aren't going to jump the gun on what could very well be the end of their lives in the most heavily armed per capita country on earth.

All fair points.

Sinema and Manchin could sit it out

Big problem. They are Republicans in Democrat clothes. They will, as they always do, find a reason to vote against

The other side of that coin is that if there is no demand for change, no one will be pressured to work out the logistics required. All change starts with people demanding a solution.

We need a solution right now more than we need a perfect plan of execution. The solution is being called for, to expand the Supreme Court to balance the blatant corruption pouring from the conservative justices. That's the first step

Republicans' stated goal is to change the entire structure and political system in America and the 6-3 ideologically Christian scotus has already begun ignoring the constitution.

This is the very definition of a constitutional and democratic crisis. If democrats don't do something as the only other party with any power, republicans will make sure they no longer have the opportunity the first chance they get.

Now is really not the time for "both sides" logic to prevent democrats from acting.

Wow, I don't think I've seen an edgier comment on the whole of lemmy.

You sound like you've got a lot to lose.

Telling me I'd like to watch it all burn, and then calling me a political pacifist in the next breath?

Yeah. You're actively expressing both of those views at the same time by thinking yourself higher than the society you live in.

Anyway, the debt isn't a tangible thing like you seem to think. And you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and I won't take on the responsibility of teaching you how to use a search engine, so I guess this is where the edgy comment chain ends.

Have fun in your cabin in the woods, brother. The rest of us understand what it means to live in a functional society. It's not worth engaging any further with someone as far gone as you are ✌️

Aiding the less fortunate in society benefits everyone, same as maintaining roads or building libraries.

For decades republicans have artificially raised the bar for that aid and lowered the aid actually received, for no reason than to appeal to the crowd that thinks taxation is theft but uses modern public amenities anyway.

The rampant cutting of those benefits and handing the rights over to corporations is one of the major reasons we have a nationwide health care crisis, just for one example of how those cuts end up hurting everyone.

The call where Biden urged a ceasefire and Netanyahu completely ignored it? I think you think the US has more power in this situation than they actually do.

Could Israel continue this war without US aid?

The US provides about 1% of Israel's GDP in military aid and Israel already exports weapons and ammo it doesn't need. Who would provide American-centric weaponry is irrelevant to the question of whether the war would stop.

To add to that, it literally doesn't matter who steps in to aid Israel, as the aid itself is less important than the potential ally and the strategic act of robbing the US of influence in the middle east. You think Russia or China wouldn't stoop to changing their position on a massacre to get a step up politically? Two countries currently hosting genocides of their own?

A magic stop button doesn't exist for the US. We're clearly not going to agree on that so this is where our conversation ends. Goodnight.

There's no magic button that ends this conflict, except the one that lies on Netanyahu's desk. Israel isn't dependent on the US in the way that you're trying to make it sound. If the US pulls away from Israel, it creates a vacuum that US's adversaries are chomping at the bit to fill.

They won't suddenly go broke. They won't suddenly be disarmed. They won't suddenly decide the war isn't worth it. They will take money and weapons from other nations who want their influence in the middle east and the only thing that will change is the US losing that influence.

Look, I'm not saying that Biden's hands are clean either. The US as a governmental body is complicit in this heinous war.

What I am saying is that you are woefully naive if you think a phone call could end this. That phone call already happened. It was international news. Netanyahu laughed in Biden's face.

All of these things, but still Biden does not directly have the power to end this conflict. Blaming him for it happening as if he's the one crushing Palestinians under the rubble of their houses is dishonest.

Oh right, the war in Gaza is completely Biden's fault and not the product of decades of politics coming to a head in a way the US can't explicitly control. I think I saw Biden out there personally shooting Palestinian children in the face 🙄

We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong