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Okay then. Surely you can ask for help (and receive it) without being rude to, and about the accomplishments of, developers that have made the Linux desktop accessible enough for regular folks to use.
no chill for lernnart...ever
What's your problem with Poettering? I really don't get it. You don't want to use his projects? Then don't use them. But don't be angry at a person who made the Linux desktop NOT a mess. Everyone I've ever talked to agrees that the days before systemd were a mess.
so you are saying ppl should not have opinions in an echochamber? weak.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you hate the project, don't hate on the developer. Poettering has made a project that is universally considered an improvement to the Linux desktop space. You don't like it? There are other projects out there. The Linux space is one of those spaces where there are always alternatives. You don't like MS Office Online? Use LibreOffice? You don't like that either? There is only office and others? You don't like the direction Firefox is heading in? Use Brave. You don't want to use Chromium because you want to prevent the domination of their browser engine? Use Librewolf. All the above applies to you, and you have simple browsing needs? Use Epiphany. You don't like GNOME but love vim and keyboard-driven setups? Use qutebrowser or vimb (yes, there is a browser named vimb, vim with a b at the end). The point is, there is choice. You don't like Arch because it uses systemd? Use Artix. You like runit which you used with Artix but you want more stable software? Use Void. You liked openrc instead? Use Devuan or Alpine. You don't mind compiling from source? Use Gentoo. You want something FSF-approved? Use Guix. You like the ideas behind Guix but got tired of the software freedom stuff? Use NixOS (oh wait, that one uses systemd).
Point is, there is choice in the Linux world. It's one of rhe things we're famous on. You don't like a project? Use something else. You want to share your experience and reasoning as to why you don't like a project? Go ahead, I'd love to read about it. But looking down on and insulting developers for projects they have made, for their contributions and improvements they have brought to the space, whether you agree with them or not, is not right. People should be applauded for improving Linux. Most of them do it in their free time and do not get paid for it (not sure if Poettering started systemd as a part of his job at RedHat or in his free time, though). What I'm saying is, share your opinion on the project, and move on. If someone asks you to elaborate, you're welcome to do so. Just don't get the dev involved. I don't hear of people abandoning Hyprland because of some controversial things Vaxry has said (I can no longer recall what he said exactly but I remember hearing something hadistribution).
Anyways, I'm just wasting one of, if not THE most precious resource of our lives: my time, so I'll be wrapping up here. If you have any responses, I might read them if I get around to it, and if I find it meaningful, I might post a response. For now, I wish you all the best in your endeavours, whatever they may be, and I hope that some of the examples I gave above can be useful in guiding you towards finding a systemd-free distribution, if you choose to do so. Cheers.
ppl should not applaud crooked ppl at all.
remember how most ppl fanboyed elon? i do. he was crooked from day one but his spaceships where all fancy. lennart is on the same main character path. now he helps MS exfiltrate more data to US authorities...but you do you and keep rooting for him, I never will. in 10 years he more and more of his actions will have a bad impact.
in my eyes the weakes humans tend to tell ppl to go away. "if you dont like the politics here l, go away." thats what facists do. that is what you do. "then go use another distro". well, NO. A decent human being will fight to make a distro or country better. if i'd be a jerk like you i'd have to suggest you look for another social media plattform if you dont like the ideas of others. go find a truth social for systemd lovers.
Okay, so: 2 questions:
Do you dislike/hate Systemd, Poettering, or both? And does one stem from the other?
What exactly makes Poettering crooked? Working for M$? So you're telling me if Torvalds accepted the job offer from Jobs to work at Apple, he would be crooked too?
nothing can be gained from talking to you. your absurd positions in previous comments keeps me from further engagement. go cuddle elon or enjoy win12....cant care less.
I use Arch and hate Elon, but that's beside the point. I'm just trying to understand wby you hate Poettering, and why you hate Systemd?
doubt it. even more when you use arch btw.