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So I installed Signal messenger and later needed pulse audio and lsp plugins. Now the search in the menu no longer finds Signal in search. :-( I have to go to "Internet -> Signal" to open it.

How to fix this?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I had the same issue and used MenuLibre to hide the entire lsp directory.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

thank you. will give that a try.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Firefox: is linux stupid?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

But those aren't a part of the PulseAudio package in general - at least from what I know. Looks more like LADSPA and CALF plugins to me. Maybe you've installed them accidentally?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i needed pulse audio and those plugins to get some shitty monitor to work and not sound too bad. lsp plugins was the only thing that worked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm going to install Linux Mint on a VM and see what's going wrong with yours. But when you're dealing with older native package managers, you'll come across packages that litter your desktop. This isn't the case with modern ones like NixOS or Guix, however. I see that you're adhering to UNIX philosophy, in which case, you should use independent distros like Devuan, Hyperbola, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

oh ok. thanks. i am using different linux distros on different machines and devuan is cool for me. yet i was supprised not to find signal messenger at all anymore in search on mint. its not last in the list but not in the results at all anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Wait a second, how did you realise that OP adheres to Unix philosophy?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you scroll down in the comments below, you'll understand why - OP doesn't like corporate backed software.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would uninstall and use the flatpak. Way easier than solving dependencie issues

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Installing an optional dependency for an optional feature is hard? What happened to Linux users?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

I didn't say it was hard just said flatpaks are easy. Also why don't you post a solution?

[+] [email protected] -35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/p480v3/flatpak_sucks/

nobody should use flatpak,snap (lennart poettering is an idiot!) and other abominations that break the only relevant dogma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

also: the snapd idiot is also responsible for many of the troubles with pulse audio! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If Poettering is an idiot, why are you using a systemd distro? Go use Devuan, Artix, Alpine, or Void.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Hey we all have our unix philosophy cringe phase. Just let the kid play he will grow up one day.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

geez, this is one machine on which i want to solve a problem. thats all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay then. Surely you can ask for help (and receive it) without being rude to, and about the accomplishments of, developers that have made the Linux desktop accessible enough for regular folks to use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

no chill for lernnart...ever

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's your problem with Poettering? I really don't get it. You don't want to use his projects? Then don't use them. But don't be angry at a person who made the Linux desktop NOT a mess. Everyone I've ever talked to agrees that the days before systemd were a mess.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

so you are saying ppl should not have opinions in an echochamber? weak.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you hate the project, don't hate on the developer. Poettering has made a project that is universally considered an improvement to the Linux desktop space. You don't like it? There are other projects out there. The Linux space is one of those spaces where there are always alternatives. You don't like MS Office Online? Use LibreOffice? You don't like that either? There is only office and others? You don't like the direction Firefox is heading in? Use Brave. You don't want to use Chromium because you want to prevent the domination of their browser engine? Use Librewolf. All the above applies to you, and you have simple browsing needs? Use Epiphany. You don't like GNOME but love vim and keyboard-driven setups? Use qutebrowser or vimb (yes, there is a browser named vimb, vim with a b at the end). The point is, there is choice. You don't like Arch because it uses systemd? Use Artix. You like runit which you used with Artix but you want more stable software? Use Void. You liked openrc instead? Use Devuan or Alpine. You don't mind compiling from source? Use Gentoo. You want something FSF-approved? Use Guix. You like the ideas behind Guix but got tired of the software freedom stuff? Use NixOS (oh wait, that one uses systemd).

Point is, there is choice in the Linux world. It's one of rhe things we're famous on. You don't like a project? Use something else. You want to share your experience and reasoning as to why you don't like a project? Go ahead, I'd love to read about it. But looking down on and insulting developers for projects they have made, for their contributions and improvements they have brought to the space, whether you agree with them or not, is not right. People should be applauded for improving Linux. Most of them do it in their free time and do not get paid for it (not sure if Poettering started systemd as a part of his job at RedHat or in his free time, though). What I'm saying is, share your opinion on the project, and move on. If someone asks you to elaborate, you're welcome to do so. Just don't get the dev involved. I don't hear of people abandoning Hyprland because of some controversial things Vaxry has said (I can no longer recall what he said exactly but I remember hearing something hadistribution).

Anyways, I'm just wasting one of, if not THE most precious resource of our lives: my time, so I'll be wrapping up here. If you have any responses, I might read them if I get around to it, and if I find it meaningful, I might post a response. For now, I wish you all the best in your endeavours, whatever they may be, and I hope that some of the examples I gave above can be useful in guiding you towards finding a systemd-free distribution, if you choose to do so. Cheers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ppl should not applaud crooked ppl at all.

remember how most ppl fanboyed elon? i do. he was crooked from day one but his spaceships where all fancy. lennart is on the same main character path. now he helps MS exfiltrate more data to US authorities...but you do you and keep rooting for him, I never will. in 10 years he more and more of his actions will have a bad impact.

in my eyes the weakes humans tend to tell ppl to go away. "if you dont like the politics here l, go away." thats what facists do. that is what you do. "then go use another distro". well, NO. A decent human being will fight to make a distro or country better. if i'd be a jerk like you i'd have to suggest you look for another social media plattform if you dont like the ideas of others. go find a truth social for systemd lovers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, so: 2 questions:

Do you dislike/hate Systemd, Poettering, or both? And does one stem from the other?
What exactly makes Poettering crooked? Working for M$? So you're telling me if Torvalds accepted the job offer from Jobs to work at Apple, he would be crooked too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nothing can be gained from talking to you. your absurd positions in previous comments keeps me from further engagement. go cuddle elon or enjoy win12....cant care less.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use Arch and hate Elon, but that's beside the point. I'm just trying to understand wby you hate Poettering, and why you hate Systemd?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

doubt it. even more when you use arch btw.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

But if you need the help of his code and products, then you should begrudging acknowledge that he is not an idiot. If you truly believe that he is an idiot, you should find a solution to your problem without pulseaudio or systemd because if not you are just an hypocrite.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

dude...i am not to deceide what OS is used on some machines. and just because ppl like lennart or bill are shit, doesnt mean at some point i wont be forced to see their crap. they crap is everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Written by an idiot who never contributed to free software.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

he works for M$ now... the home of crooked devs...like that time bill stole msdos from TI to start microsoft. crooked ppl.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Hahaha, I wrote a paper on the early history of M$ and the Gary Killdall story, where Gates bought QDOS (the quick and dirty operating system) to offer to IBM, after sending IBM to Killdall (so IBM can get CP/M from Killdall) but after IBM came back to Gates empty-handed (cuz Killdall was out having fun, missing the opportunity of a lifetime) Gates offered that Microsoft could do the OS for IBM so M$ bought QDOS, did some changes in branding (and other tweaks) and then got it packaged for IBM's new computers. If I recall correctly, Killdall threatened to sue, and afterwards, there was a CP/M version offered alongside the MS-DOS version. However, the MSDOS version was like $10-$20 while CP/M was in the hundreds of dollars on top of the computer itself. So Microsoft won.

BUT this was NOT the beginning of M$. They started with BASIC interpreters for Altair when Gates and Allen were at Harvard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey OP, any reason you're not using Pipewire?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

only saving time....which it didnt in the end...so, yeah...could have tried that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

That's why I use flatpak