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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I was kind of dissapointed when I read the new pipe team was having an issue with sponsor block, but tbh their reasoning makes a lot of sense:

https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/newpipe-and-online-advertising/

And even thought I am using the sponsor block fork now I only skip the non-music part in music videos, because I do agree that creators have to make money somehow. And while I don't love ads most of the time (sometimes they are really well made) my main issue with ads on Youtube/the wider Internet is how intrusive they are and them not respecting my privacy.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well they won't make any money off you watching them on NewPipe because the way it parses videos doesn't register views or watched timestamps, the things that sponsors take into account when paying creators.

It's why their argument is garbage, because they designed NewPipe the way they did for the purpose of privacy, which also defeats any method of making money through analytics yet they think Sponsorblock in this case stops them from making money, as if they could make money off NewPipe users at all in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

How sure are you that your view through NewPipe is getting counted on YouTube statistics so that the channel is getting a proper measure of reach?

Because I am not so sure the view is being counted, and much less the (not)viewing of the sponsorblock segment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Views don't get counted on Newpipe and if they do somehow it's not accurate, as in it won't count watch-time or parts of the video watched, the way it parses the video these analytics don't get sent.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I know my klick on the link is counted if I am interested in the product they are selling.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There's no reason in watching the sponsors through NewPipe, because the view doesn't count, especially segment-based view.

The YouTube channel (and their sponsor) will never detect that you actually watched the sponsor. So, why bother watching it in the first place?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you really want to support someone on YouTube something like patreon is the way to go. Sponsored videos are life draining and a lot of extra work for paultry pay. But a legion of patreon subscribers can set someone up for a comfortable income from actually making things you want to see.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Depends on a sponsor. Some sponsors can pay crap loads of money to a big creator.