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The anti-Islam, euroskeptic radical Geert Wilders is projected to be the shock winner of the Dutch election.

In a dramatic result that will stun European politics, his Freedom Party (PVV) is set to win around 35 of the 150 seats in parliament — more than double the number it secured in the 2021 election, according to exit polls.

Frans Timmermans’ Labour-Green alliance is forecast to take second place, winning 25 seats — a big jump from its current 17. Dilan Yeşilgöz, outgoing premier Mark Rutte’s successor as head of the center-right VVD, suffered heavy losses and is on course to take 24 seats, 10 fewer than before, according to the updated exit poll by Ipsos for national broadcaster NOS.

A win for Wilders will put the Netherlands on track — potentially — for a dramatic shift in direction, after Rutte’s four consecutive centrist governments. The question now, though, is whether any other parties are willing to join Wilders to form a coalition. Despite emerging as the largest party, he will lack an overall majority in parliament.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Netherlands isn't a republic and republic basically just means "not a monarchy".

A republic means a state with representative democracy. (Not strictly necessarily representative, but it's hard to even imagine a State system with full democracy.)

You can be a democracy without being a republic and a republic without being a democracy.

Exactly, because a republic isn't very democratic. What I'm saying is that representative democracy is barely democratic at all. Especially when using systems like majority rule. In most representative democracies today, the general public is barely if at all participating in the government of public affairs. I'm purposefully using the original meaning of the word democracy: government by the people or the people governing themselves. If the only way we can govern is by checking a box on a ballot twice a decade and that resulting in anywhere between 1 and 250 people having full authority over an entire country, I would not call that governing at all. And it shows that in most republics, policy enacted by their governments rarely represent what people actually want and care about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a few definitions but this is the first one in quite a few dictionaries and on Wiki

A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.

While Wikipedia mentions that power rests with the public (hence the name) instead of a monarch:

Representation in a republic may or may not be freely elected by the general citizenry. In many historical republics, representation has been based on personal status and the role of elections has been limited. This remains true today; among the 159 states that use the word "republic" in their official names as of 2017, and other states formally constituted as republics, are states that narrowly constrain both the right of representation and the process of election.

Exactly, because a republic isn't very democratic. What I'm saying is that representative democracy is barely democratic at all.

Those are two different things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you argue that the head of the state of the Netherlands is the king? It being written to be so doesn't mean it is so in practice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would I argue that the king is the head of the state of the Kingdom of the Netherlands? Obviously?

The Kingdom of the Netherlands (Dutch: Koninkrijk der Nederlanden, pronounced [ˈkoːnɪŋkrɛik dɛr ˈneːdərlɑndə(n)] ⓘ),[g] commonly known simply as the Netherlands,[h] is a sovereign state consisting of a collection of autonomous territories united under the monarch of the Netherlands who functions as head of state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure that's in paper. But does he head the state? North Korea is also a democratic republic if you go by the official definition..

I'm from Belgium, which is also a kingdom, but our king has absolutely no power. The state is headed by the federal government, not by the king, in practice. I would imagine that to be the case in the Netherlands too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state in its unity and legitimacy. Depending on the country's form of government and separation of powers, the head of state may be a ceremonial figurehead or concurrently the head of government and more.