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These countries tried everything from cash to patriotic calls to duty to reverse drastically declining birth rates. It didn’t work.

If history is any guide, none of this will work: No matter what governments do to convince them to procreate, people around the world are having fewer and fewer kids.

In the US, the birth rate has been falling since the Great Recession, dropping almost 23 percent between 2007 and 2022. Today, the average American woman has about 1.6 children, down from three in 1950, and significantly below the “replacement rate” of 2.1 children needed to sustain a stable population. In Italy, 12 people now die for every seven babies born. In South Korea, the birth rate is down to 0.81 children per woman. In China, after decades of a strictly enforced one-child policy, the population is shrinking for the first time since the 1960s. In Taiwan, the birth rate stands at 0.87.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I sure as shit would have more kids if I had parental leave and child care options...

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

And money. And a place to live. And food prices that aren't massively inflated.

Lot of folks can't even afford to take care of themselves. Add a kid into that struggle? No thank you.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Look, if you didn't want to be price gouged, you shouldn't have paid those high prices! Vote with your wallet!

(For those who think I might be serious, I'm not. Voting with your wallet isn't democratic, it's literally plutocratic.)

Kidding aside, there's a clip of some grocery store chain CEO talking about how they will raise their prices as high as the market will bear - it's chilling, but, like, in the USA, it's the law - it would literally be illegal if they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Christ, it's too expensive to be alive right now.... fucking suffering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That hasn't stopped boomers

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I know a fair chunk of my friends who have given up on the dream of kids. When both parents have to work full time at jobs their post secondary education qualified them for and court mental health issues because nothing they do for work feels meaningful just to scrape by with the bare minimum and accrue damn near nothing in savings... They don't really want to have kids.

A lot of mammals when they don't feel safe or secure in resources abandon or kill their young. Humans given control over their reproduction just seem to settle on raising dogs because they are cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It also kind of feels like society hates me for being ADHD and wants me to suffer so why would I want to bring another human into this world that has felt for 30+ years like a door slamming in my face.

I like when I tell boomers I don’t feel like I will be financially able to raise a kid until I am much older than I should be for having a kid and they smile and with a nostalgic look say “Oh, nobody is ever ready! You will figure it out trust me! We did!”. Makes me want to punch them in the face.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm with you on this. My family is, let's just say, prone to melancholy and leave it at that.

My having children means there's a significant likelihood that I'd be bringing even more misery into the world. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

nods for me, my depression comes out of having an invisible disability that most people think is a joke excuse that arises out of being on too much tiktok or something. I don’t know if I would be sad if society actually valued me for the unique qualities of my brain…. but it doesn’t and there is no way I would want to give a kid the experience I have had trying to push through that. It has been awful honestly and I don’t understand what possible point there could be to it OTHER than to scream in my ear that I shouldn’t pass my mind on to another human.

Maybe I will get a dream job one day that accommodates me and lets my strengths come out…. but statistically it’s just not that likely. Why would I knowingly set a kid up with such a shitty diceroll?