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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

800/ month car insurance

The fuck? Why is your car insurance so expensive?

600/month electric, water, internet

The fuck? Why are you water and electric bills so high? I live alone, but my water bill is always <$40 and my electric bill is $70-$150 depending on if I'm running the A/C or heater.

Internet for me is only $25/month because I use my phone for Internet and have unlimited data with Visible.

200/month family cell phone service

Switch to Visible, like I said. $25/month per line and you all have unlimited data so you can cut your cable Internet.

50/month streaming and donations to community radio

Complete waste of money. You don't get to do these and then complain you don't have enough.

600/month average repair & maintenance on home and cars

Lol, what? Are you constantly hitting your walls with hammers? Do you do offroading in a sedan? No way you're spending $600 per month on home/car repairs (on average) unless you're driving a Benz or BMW.

That said, thank you for listing out your expenses. It's a way more fruitful discussion when we talk actual numbers instead of vague "I don't have enoughs."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nope. 2 cars and 3 drivers here with one of them 18 years old. Highest cost car insurance market in the nation. But without that third driver our household income wouldn't hit the $150k.

Electric, Water, Internet. That's mostly electricity. Electric bill is higher since I'm working from home, and everything in the house is electric (no gas bill) we don't eat out much, cook a lot. Very high in the summer. Big windows, high ceilings, old house. Water includes garbage and is usually $100 or so. Internet about $75 FIOS so I can work from home mostly (2 cars not 3 that way).

The $200 is a legacy t mobile plan covering 8 people so if needed I could get the grown kids to cover half of it, that one is high but not per line, we just pay it because if we cut them off it would still cost us $200 for 4 lines.

House is older and cars are too. Tenting for termites has to happen every 10 years and costs 10k, we've had to fix plumbing, electric, replace an old porch, need blinds to help with the electrical cost, and the cars won't last forever - I honestly think the $600 may be underestimating the cost of maintenance, not overestimating.

And of course every month something happens. Vet bills, or some medical cost, or car repair eats the 600 AND the plumbing springs a leak, or I have to work weekends and we buy restaurant food - no month is just bills.

It's easy to go cheap for awhile, I have done that plenty. We have dry beans, rice, a garden. But things fall apart. I am putting here the cost of maintenance because if we don't accrue this $600ish, it will end up costing even more. It's a real cost.

Oh, and I know this isn't poor, lol. In my 20s lived with 3 families in one house and dumpster dived to make ends meet. Then raised 4 kids with a guy who, halfway through, decided he couldn't work. 6 people living on what I could make, we are paying that deficit now too. Even so, this is is an awesome life, I am not complaining at all. Just saying that the bills do take most of the netpay if the real cost of housing and transportation is included.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm driving a 26 year old car and don't even spend $600 on maintenance in a year. $600/month ($7200/year) sounds crazy high. That's like replacing an engine or transmission every year.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct, it's mostly house. For a year, cars are about $400 in oil changes plus $300 in regular maintenance (brakes, etc.) and usually one repair or tires purchase of high cost, $600-1200. Its staying way below the cost of a new one.

The house is the real money eater.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, I didn't realize you were lumping home and vehicle maintenance together. My water heater recently died after 19 years of solid use and that was more than a $2k project. I'm dreading the day the furnace goes out. Homes aren't cheap.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm buying whatever I want and putting 10% in my 401(k) and that's exactly the same as being poor

These people lol