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Why are right-wingers so vocal about their views? Or am I just unlucky? (hexbear.net)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Just wondering what everyone thinks about this. In almost every place I've worked coworkers with right wing beliefs are never shy about giving their opinion and views on things.

The major talking points are usually variations of stuff like: we spend to much on beneficiaries and they should stop being lazy and get a job. That poor people have kids so they can get free money from the government. We need or be tougher on crime. Even absurd shit like being outraged that a homeless person had a smartphone and indulging in such lavishness is why they're homeless etc etc

Some of the shit I hear from otherwise seemingly lovely people is insane. I feel like I have to be so much more measured and have all my 'evidence' ready to defend my commie beliefs while these people can just say whatever bullshit they want and everybody just kinda nods in agreement.

Is this a normal thing in the Angloverse? Is it because their views are essentially the status quo already and they have just fully internalised the capitalist propeganda?

Please let me know

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In the face of proletarianization and capitalist decay, the working class has a few options. 1) Be “apolitical” due to alienation; 2) be liberal (includes both Democrats and Republicans in US) and try to fix problems through reform and electoralism; 3) be anticapitalist, look beyond manifestations toward root cause in capitalist contradiction; 4) be reactionary/fascist, agree with the anticapitalists that there are fundamental problems with society, but conclude it’s not capitalist enough.

For as evil as fascists are, they at least understand their personal material conditions are fucked, they are more honest to themselves about their reality compared with liberals, and are willing to make radical changes to fix it. The problem of course is “only” in the analysis and who is scapegoated…

…but sometimes it’s almost preferable to deal with someone who is wrong theoretically but at least accepts there is a problem. The frustrating thing about liberals is they don’t accept there is a problem. To the liberal there is no such thing as a systemic problem because capitalism is ideal according to laws of economics and of human nature, and history ended a long time ago.

Liberals are relatively quieter than the true right-wingers because liberals are largely already in power, they’re not radical, they believe in reform.