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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Majority (huge majority i think) of Russian Jews were the same Ashkenazi that were running from pogroms in Germany, they ended up all over Poland, Lithuania, Russia, etc, but there were multitude of other, non- Ashkenazi Jewish groups in Russia too - abovementioned Krymchaks and Karaites plus Sephardi, Romaniotes (Jews from Greece), Juhuro (Jews from Caucasus), Georgian Jews, Bukharan Jews, Armenian Jews etc, so even just looking at sheer diversity of those people cultures and languages the Khazar hypothesis immediately fails.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

After so much pogroms and hatred towards them it's natural for jews to have so much fixation over Israel. I think Tsar also did major pogroms against Jews isn't? That's why USSR had great sympathy for their project during 1945-48.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sure holocaust and creation of Israel did have huge impact on zionism popularity among Jews, but zionism itself is much older movement.

In fact, Russia is place where zionists were multiple time revealed as what they are, bolsheviks and Soviets tried to accomodate and cooperate with them for decades but they always moved their goalposts and wrecked the movement.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

But aren't Krymchak and Karaite Jews, and maybe even Juhuro associated with the general area of the Khazar empire? (aka south Russia)

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Krymchak and Karaites lived in Crimea, that's why they are prime candidates for real Khazar descendants. Juhuro, no, they were living in Caucasus even before Khazar came. I didn't mean no Jews are descendants of Khazar, but the theory that ALL of Jews in Russia (or even all Ashkenazi) being descended from Khazar is blatantly ridiculous and don't hold to even most lax scrutiny.